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When did train drivers stop wearing hats?

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Someone posted a video on here of a train journey in 1976 from Kidderminster - Birmingham. It was an old episode of "Stop Look and Listen". I know the railway has changed a lot since then, but I did not expect to see the DMU driver wearing a hat. I thought that drivers only wore hats in the steam era, and I do not remember ever seeing any train drivers wearing hats when I was young in the 80s. Was it something that ex steam drivers did because they were used to wearing them, and just carried on when they started driving diesels and electric locos/multiple units, or was it still part of the drivers unifrom in the 70s?
 
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Someone posted a video on here of a train journey in 1976 from Kidderminster - Birmingham. It was an old episode of "Stop Look and Listen". I know the railway has changed a lot since then, but I did not expect to see the DMU driver wearing a hat. I thought that drivers only wore hats in the steam era, and I do not remember ever seeing any train drivers wearing hats when I was young in the 80s. Was it something that ex steam drivers did because they were used to wearing them, and just carried on when they started driving diesels and electric locos/multiple units, or was it still part of the drivers unifrom in the 70s?
Caps were part of the drivers' uniform until privatisation in the late 1990s....although fewer and fewer wore them from the mid-1970s onwards, especially on the Southern Region.
 

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I used to catch the Buxton - Manchester 104's on a weekly basis in the late 70's / early 80's.

The drivers always wore a BR cap.

Like in this image (not my photograph):

Unfortunately that photo is of a guard, not a driver!

IIRC, my last driver's cap issue was in 1993....and I gave it to a Polish railwayman on holiday in Yorkshire whose hobby was collecting railway uniform caps from around the world! From about 1988 onwards, the newly-designed BR corporate uniforms - IMHO the best ever issued - reverted to having traditionally-styled railway caps, as opposed to the rather ugly 'General de Gaulle'-style which had been issued since the mid 1960s and are well-illustrated by the above photo.
 

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Fair enough, thanks for the clarification, (although the image was intended to show the general design [shape] to distinguish it from the former 'peaked cap' design).
 

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Unfortunately that photo has been mislabeled, as that's a photo of a Station Supervisor, drivers had no braid on their cap, although the BR badge was gold, guards had silver braid and silver BR badge.
Also the drivers' caps issued c. 1965-1988 were a different shape....lower and more compact.
 

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Alas, I no longer have one, but I still have my drivers jacket and bag from that era, although I have still got my drivers hat from the corporate style uniform that came after.
 

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Some drivers made sure that they had their cap with them. Placed over the controller when standing at a station on a red signal. Saved many a ‘ding ding and away’ before Driver Reminder Appliances (DRA).
 

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Were caps part of the special uniform for Blue Pullman drivers?
I'm sure I saw an article on the Blue Pullman services and someone referred to the drivers' uniforms as a 'milkman's coat' or something similar. Perhaps someone might confirm this one way or the other.
 

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I'm sure I saw an article on the Blue Pullman services and someone referred to the drivers' uniforms as a 'milkman's coat' or something similar. Perhaps someone might confirm this one way or the other.
Indeed have heard that said or written. No source I can quote at the moment tho.
 

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Unfortunately that photo is of a guard, not a driver!
I’d go as far to say that he is a ticket inspector. Dark suit,black buttons,white shirt,black tie and gold badge and piping on hat plus a revenue bag.
For clarity here is a drivers hat courtesy of Alamy. Note the metal arrows,the later ones were material. Gold badge for drivers and silver for secondmen.
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From memory it was mostly senior drivers who continued to wear hats. Come the “corporate collection” uniform issue about 1991 hats largely disappeared among the footplate staff,a few persevered though.
 

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I think that the Western Blue Pullman drivers has a long white lightweight dustcoat and a peaked cap with a white top; I am less sure about the Midland ones. I am also unsure about how long the white coats lasted.
 

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I’d go as far to say that he is a ticket inspector. Dark suit,black buttons,white shirt,black tie and gold badge and piping on hat plus a revenue bag.
For clarity here is a drivers hat courtesy of Alamy. Note the metal arrows,the later ones were material. Gold badge for drivers and silver for secondmen.
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From memory it was mostly senior drivers who continued to wear hats. Come the “corporate collection” uniform issue about 1991 hats largely disappeared among the footplate staff,a few persevered though.
I would tend to agree from my observations in South Wales , that older drivers were far more likely to wear the BR old style cap. Purely for head warmth I suspect in taking freight up to the wilds of Cwmbargoed , a very sensible precaution.

Freight guards on such duties tended to wear comfortable flat caps of their own purchase.
 

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it's a pity that rail companies have let uniform standards lapse. Airlines and shipping companies give their pilots and bridge officers proper uniforms and you will rarely see an airline pilot without a cap outside of the flight deck.
I can remember when station masters wore a top hat on special occasions and traction inspectors had bowler hats. Maybe drivers should be issued with a dress uniform for special duties like the Royal Train!
 

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I can remember when station masters wore a top hat on special occasions and traction inspectors had bowler hats.
As passengers are now customers, perhaps management thinks it is preferable to be less conspicuous these days!
 

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I think that the Western Blue Pullman drivers has a long white lightweight dustcoat and a peaked cap with a white top; I am less sure about the Midland ones. I am also unsure about how long the white coats lasted.
You can see it in the rather sad Youtube video of a 1962 publicity film about the WR Birmingham Pullman. Sad because not long after the film was shot, the driver shown, Ernie Morris, was among four crew killed at Knowle and Dorridge on 15 August 1963 when the up Pullman ran into a goods train the signalman had allowed to shunt in its path. The Pullman was formed of the substitute loco hauled rake with D1040 Western Queen at the head.
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I can't find the video on Youtube any more, it's on Facebook but this forum won't let me embed it...

 

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Thinking about this. The toc I work for has provided branded woolly hats for the winter and a few drivers use them. Whilst not a traditional hat the OP is thinking about they are nonetheless hats.
 

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it's a pity that rail companies have let uniform standards lapse.
It's endemic in most places unfortunately; it's almost impossible these days to spot staff in shops and restaurants for a start... and more often than not postmen and couriers don't seem to wear uniforms any more.

Uniforms exist for a very good reason.
 

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They were certainly part of a GNER drivers uniform so lasted after privatisation. I was issued with one when starting as a driver with GNER but never wore it. There was only one old school driver at my depot who I can recall wearing one.
 

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I realise this is a nostalgia section so will temper my usual comments about uniforms, thier value and practicality ( or lack thereof, especially in them olden days) and simply say the last TOC people I can recall with hats were GNER types.

Many people "on the railway" still wear hats at work but as they aren't guards or drivers no one cares ;)
 

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It's endemic in most places unfortunately; it's almost impossible these days to spot staff in shops and restaurants for a start... and more often than not postmen and couriers don't seem to wear uniforms any more.

Uniforms exist for a very good reason.
Shops are going more to the "walking manikin" model where staff can only wear the outlets products, a good example being mountain warehouse.
 

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it's a pity that rail companies have let uniform standards lapse. Airlines and shipping companies give their pilots and bridge officers proper uniforms and you will rarely see an airline pilot without a cap outside of the flight deck.
I can remember when station masters wore a top hat on special occasions and traction inspectors had bowler hats. Maybe drivers should be issued with a dress uniform for special duties like the Royal Train!
IIRC, DB drivers haven’t worn uniforms for at least 40 years. It was one of the things that struck me when I was first over there in the 80s.
 

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it's a pity that rail companies have let uniform standards lapse. Airlines and shipping companies give their pilots and bridge officers proper uniforms and you will rarely see an airline pilot without a cap outside of the flight deck.
I can remember when station masters wore a top hat on special occasions and traction inspectors had bowler hats. Maybe drivers should be issued with a dress uniform for special duties like the Royal Train!
The thing that killed uniform standards all round was the imposition of hi-viz, which is generally designed with no thought of what it is going to go over. Needing to wear it over regular uniform, but also needing to wear it over any outdoor bad weather raingear, eventually leading as H&S ratcheted up requirements to complete orange all over. just ruined it.

I do recall crew hats were specified as compulsory when involved with the Royal Train, doubtless to aid security in knowing who was who, and they for once would be issued without question by stores.

The last occasion I recall hearing of the Taunton stationmaster wearing his top hat was in 1964 when the commemorative City of Truro 60th anniversary special was to rocket through, with all watching. The subsequent loco failure calamity, that involved Taunton intimately, I have described elsewhere here, just in recent days. I would imagine in the chaos and reorganisation that the top hat was lost along the way ...
 

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I think that the Western Blue Pullman drivers has a long white lightweight dustcoat and a peaked cap with a white top; I am less sure about the Midland ones. I am also unsure about how long the white coats lasted.
Midland Pullman drivers wore a Navy Blue Battledress with cap.
 

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Going off topic, when did drivers stop being issued with satchels and be given backpacks instead?
 

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Going off topic, when did drivers stop being issued with satchels and be given backpacks instead?
The ones with a clip to hang a bardic light off? Or was that a guard thing?
And those white enamel tea cans?
 

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I will just add something that may have some bearing, whilst respecting various views posted up thread. I was in the signalling grade, as some may know, and when I joined (mid 70's) the uniform consisted of heavy duty material, black trousers (more a drain pipe design hangover from the 50's?), blazer (jacket), overcoat and hat/cap. In my case I never saw the headgear, either none was available at all or being a size 7 & 5/8, I suspect none to fit was available. The jacket was fine and is still tucked away in my loft (with the trousers). Those trousers are technically still brand new, only tried on for one shift, and now near 50 years old - and that assumes they were 'new' (as opposed to been in stores) when issued to me (unlikely). The reason they remained unused by me, is likely many others were unused by other signalman, in that the material was as itchy as hell (for some, myself included), just couldn't wear them. In my case I resulted to a supply of decent black trousers (never quite as BLACK as the issued version) from my local Burton's at my own expense.
Part of my point here, is that some people have problems with certain clothing materials/skin conditions (as I did and still do) and so find certain uniform types difficult to wear. This does admittedly make uniform matters somewhat more difficult for the business concerned, especially in todays world with more complex employment rights to boot, so it's not always as black and white as some might like?
 

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