Following on from the thread on services that ought to have a refreshment trolley at www.railforums.co.uk/threads/services-which-ought-to-have-a-refreshment-trolley.157153/ when do you first remember seeing a refreshment trolley on BR and on which route(s)? I think I first remember seeing them in about the mid 1980s. I believe they'd had them in some countries in mainland Europe, including France, Germany and the Netherlands, for longer than that, and presumably BR got the idea from continental railways. I think that at least on Network SouthEast and Provincial/Regional Railways routes trolleys on BR were mostly operated by private companies such as Rightline rather than by BR's own Travellers Fare catering division, though. I think the first route where I remember seeing them was the South Trans-Pennine Manchester-Sheffield service in about 1985, in the days of Class 31s on that route.