Liverpool to Glasgow expected to be May 2019
Liverpool to Glasgow expected to be May 2019
Liverpool/Edinburgh via Newcasyle should be December 2018 probably with the 185s until the newt stock is ready.
The 68s for Liverpool to Scarbrough should be ready first for this winters introduction
Is this via Newcastle as well or via Carlisle?
They do?Quick question, why can't Liverpool passengers change at Warrington, Wigan or Preston for Scotland?
Quick question, why can't Liverpool passengers change at Warrington, Wigan or Preston for Scotland?
There hasn't been any announcement on this, other than the quiet canning of the December improvements, so it can't actually be safely said that any introduction dates are known or even likely.The Liverpool to Glasgow has been put back to May 2019 as there is no December timetable change. This should coincide with the introduction of the class 397 units now.
The Liverpool to Edinburgh via Newcastle service was never planned for December 2018 and this is still planned for December 2019 when the class 802 units enter service.
They do?
The question is why should Liverpool passengers have to change at Warrington, Wigan or Preston for Scotland. It's deemed of importance to the Scottish government, so I assume they must be across issues you're not considering.
There hasn't been any announcement on this, other than the quiet canning of the December improvements, so it can't actually be safely said that any introduction dates are known or even likely.
Given the recent information that has come to light about the negotiations necessary over access to the ECML, combined with the level of unreliability of the existing TPE services, given that "avoiding further political embarrassment" will top all else in considerations I feel it's more likely that Edinburgh won't happen at all.
Even though it should be far less problematic, I do wonder if Glasgow to Liverpool might suffer the same fate. TOCs and NR are going to have work harder than ever to convince authorities that their plans are politiclaly safe to roll out, and the question is can they give the necessary reassurances and how long will that take.
Quick question, why can't Liverpool passengers change at Warrington, Wigan or Preston for Scotland?
I purely wondered whether there was the demand for such a service. Obviously there is.
I'd say there is. If anything I would say, and I may be pushing it here, that Liverpool has greater cultural connections with Glasgow than Manchester does. I was up in Glasgow two weeks back as best man for my mate who was marrying a girl from Glasgow. Everyone up there was saying how Liverpool and Glasgow are the same, poor, docks and shipyards. My Uncle was also married to a lady from Glasgow from when he was up there with the Marines. I still have cousins up there. Maybe I am talking nonsense and my family and friends connections have nothing to do with rail traffic but I think I am far from the only one and thus, for me at least, and seemingly for Trans Pennine, the service is worth it.I purely wondered whether there was the demand for such a service. Obviously there is.
At the moment, my experience is that (excluding the Euston - Trent Valley - Glasgow services) the Edinburgh trains are busier than Glasgow trains (on the WCML through Cumbria etc), suggesting that there's more demand from Manchester/ Birmingham to Edinburgh than to Glasgow. That's only my observations, of course.
But then, if it were up to me I'd be running a regular Friday/Sunday service from Glasgow to Blackpool - in the summer you could fill a 185 without needing any intermediate stops (but that may be more about the ridiculous amounts of luggage that some Glaswegian families take with them!).
Roughly you get hourly Euston-Glasgow, hourly [Euston]-Birmingham to Edinburgh/Glasgow (alternating) and hourly Manchester to Edinburgh/Glasgow (alternating).
That averages out as 2tph to Glasgow, but only 1tph to Edinburgh, so there are fewer Edinburgh services to meet demand in the first place (hence why they seem busier).
I agree about the links, and think that the amount of coastal shipping would have been the original reason. WCML and Manc to Edinburgh might be the biggest flow currently but I'm sure that when through trains return to Liverpool there will be more than enough passengers to justify expansion.I'd say there is. If anything I would say, and I may be pushing it here, that Liverpool has greater cultural connections with Glasgow than Manchester does. I was up in Glasgow two weeks back as best man for my mate who was marrying a girl from Glasgow. Everyone up there was saying how Liverpool and Glasgow are the same, poor, docks and shipyards. My Uncle was also married to a lady from Glasgow from when he was up there with the Marines. I still have cousins up there. Maybe I am talking nonsense and my family and friends connections have nothing to do with rail traffic but I think I am far from the only one and thus, for me at least, and seemingly for Trans Pennine, the service is worth it.