Which TOC will be monitoring the Power-Door Mk3s most keenly?

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Chiltern are currently pre-launch testing their first refurbished and power-doored Mk3 rake.

Which TOC is most likely to be monitoring the introduction most keenly?

Personally I'd guess East-Coast... Perhaps with partial funding from Transport Scotland for the Highland Chieftan services?

At the very least it could help save many lost minutes at unmanned NoE stations where staff are running up and down the train closing doors.
 
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Personally I'd guess East-Coast... Perhaps with partial funding from Transport Scotland for the Highland Chieftan services?
I doubt it as the East Coast HSTs are planned to be replaced by IEP bi-mode. More likely to be FGW and EMT as these are likely to retain HSTs beyond 2020 although I'm not sure if power doors are a requirement to be able to remain in service from 1 January 2020.
 

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I think Greater Anglia (and prospective bidders for the franchise) will keep an eye on it as Porterbrook seem to be suggesting heavily refurbishing the Mk3s there and buying new locomotives rather than going for a whole new train (though I still think a 444 style EMU will likely end up running those services). I also think FGW (and prospective bidders) will be as there going to have a number of services still HST operated even after IEP arrives.
EMT's interest will depend on what happens with electrification on the MML, if the wires go up then I doubt they'll bother but if they don't (or are delayed out to the mid 2020s) then that's another possibility.

I doubt EC will bother as their HSTs are being replaced entirely by IEP. XC I'm unsure about as there aren't any replacements in line for their HSTs and of course there is the possibility they might acquire some of the FGW off-casts in which case they might well end up fitting power doors.
 

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I think Greater Anglia (and prospective bidders for the franchise) will keep an eye on it as Porterbrook seem to be suggesting heavily refurbishing the Mk3s there and buying new locomotives rather than going for a whole new train (though I still think a 444 style EMU will likely end up running those services). I also think FGW (and prospective bidders) will be as there going to have a number of services still HST operated even after IEP arrives.
EMT's interest will depend on what happens with electrification on the MML, if the wires go up then I doubt they'll bother but if they don't (or are delayed out to the mid 2020s) then that's another possibility.

I doubt EC will bother as their HSTs are being replaced entirely by IEP. XC I'm unsure about as there aren't any replacements in line for their HSTs and of course there is the possibility they might acquire some of the FGW off-casts in which case they might well end up fitting power doors.
I don't know if I'm being overly sentimental or not, but what is wrong with the 90s? Freightliner still use 86s and 90s are alot newer than them. They are electric so it won't be an emissions thing. Why a Porterbrook so keen to get shot of them? So they can charge higher leasing costs no doubt.

Adam :D
 

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I don't know if I'm being overly sentimental or not, but what is wrong with the 90s? Freightliner still use 86s and 90s are alot newer than them. They are electric so it won't be an emissions thing. Why a Porterbrook so keen to get shot of them? So they can charge higher leasing costs no doubt.

Adam :D
I think its a case of for passeneger use they are not ideal (i could of course be wrong here) Newer locos have much better reliability and performance characterstics that allow a better service to be oeprated on the GEML.
 

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I think its a case of for passeneger use they are not ideal (i could of course be wrong here) Newer locos have much better reliability and performance characterstics that allow a better service to be oeprated on the GEML.
Although there would be no good reason to order new locos when a new fleet of EMUs would work well.
 

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So, are power doors required to meet the 2020 regulations?
No. There is a regulation about stronger door locking systems, but I expect an exception could be easily gained for the HSTs.

Aside, I imagine all operators will be looking at these favourably. Automatic doors = fewer staff required on platform, quicker dwell and dispatch times, fewer delays, nicer onboard environment.
 

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Although there would be no good reason to order new locos when a new fleet of EMUs would work well.
Depends on how much it costs, if its cheaper to upgrade mk3's and buy new locos do that, if its cheaper to buy long distance EMUs (as asinworth says 444 type) then do that. I think passenegers would appreciate both equally.
 

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Depends on how much it costs, if its cheaper to upgrade mk3's and buy new locos do that, if its cheaper to buy long distance EMUs (as asinworth says 444 type) then do that. I think passenegers would appreciate both equally.
Not sure it's a great idea ordering a loco that's only going to have 23 years of work for it at most though even if the Mark 3s remain in service until 2035.
 

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Not sure it's a great idea ordering a loco that's only going to have 23 years of work for it at most though even if the Mark 3s remain in service until 2035.
Locos have more use than just passengers. Im sure other uses could be found for them. Especially with a rapdily increasing electric network. Order them with ability to be regeared.
 

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Locos have more use than just passengers. Im sure other uses could be found for them. Especially with a rapdily increasing electric network. Order them with ability to be regeared.
Correct but there would need to be freight locos due for replacement in 2035 which I don't think can be predicted at this time.
 

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Or maybe to help an increase in traffic, which is most definitely predicted.
This would require there to be paths though and with passenger modal shift very likely in the near future there is going to be demand for more passenger services. Even with HS2 paths on conventional lines may well be taken by other passenger services. Even if there is an increase in freight, I don't think it can be predicted that this will occur very close to 2035. It may well occur before then in which case the freight locos will already have been ordered when the Mark 3 coaches become life expired.
 
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