Why can't driving licences be used instead of Photocards for Season Ticket ID?

[Clip]

In which case I consider your point to be void, and maintain that the UK driving licence is the gold standard of proof of address in the UK, i.e. is the most effective document for that purpose for normal daily life including contact with the Government such as DBS checks and checks conducted for official business.

If you wish to counter that point, evidence is the only sensible way to do so.

it really isnt this alleged gold standard you mention. People forget to change address on their license all the time and as such the last time i had to get some documents done they wouldnt accept it without another form of confirmation of my address because of that very reason

 

[scragend]

A driving license not sufficient when proving you have the right to work in the UK.

A railway photocard isn't much use for that purpose either!

 

[dutchflyer]

it CAN be done -on the continent. Just back from a trip to HUngary, the Budapest-city passes can be combined with any official foto-ID, also from any other EU-country. You just tip in the last 5 or 6 or so letters/digits on the machine whilst ordering one and of course if checked, this has also to be produced beside the printed season ticket. But then of course, there and in any other EU-country there is no problem with people using their card-IDs. In Germany often a combination (by name- printed or written) is seen as sufficient.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Isn't it the case in Germany that it's illegal to use the ID card for that purpose, hence why DB don't use it and use a credit card or similar to validate their "Advances"?

 

[island]

I think most people use a BahnCard for that.

 

[marshmallow]

Many people have driving licenses that have photographs that are imported from their passports. That means that it a thrid generation picture and often of insufficient quality for (relatively) frequent identity verification.

If that is the case then how is it that retailers are able to accept them as proof of age for the sale of alcohol, when the penalties are so high for selling it to children?

Incidentally, I did once see someone purchase a paper weekly season ticket from a TVM at a TFL Rail station, and for the photocard ID number they used the number on a national ID card from another country. I imagine that it was a visitor who did not realise what is required. It would be interesting to know what happened if the ticket was ever inspected. Given that they clearly thought that this was the correct thing to do and had paid for a ticket, common sense would suggest that they should not have been penalised.

 

[island]

I saw someone purchasing a paper ticket and entered her Oyster card number when prompted. I politely spoke up and said that wasn’t accepted, and she told me to sod off and she’d been doing it unchallenged for months.

We may see her at some point over in the Disputes forum.

 

[marshmallow]

I saw someone purchasing a paper ticket and entered her Oyster card number when prompted. I politely spoke up and said that wasn’t accepted, and she told me to sod off and she’d been doing it unchallenged for months.

We may see her at some point over in the Disputes forum.

It seems as though the TVMs should explain clearly what is meant by the photocard ID and show a photo of an example. Perhaps they should make you scan it and/or check that what has been entered is actually a valid season ticket photocard ID number as well.

 

[Haywain]

Perhaps they should make you scan it and/or check that what has been entered is actually a valid season ticket photocard ID number as well.

For one, TVMs don't have barcode scanners, and for two, there is no complete record of photocards that have been issued. There are some on circulation that are of a considerable age! However, I think showing what is meant as a photocard would be a good idea.

 

[Wallsendmag]

Not to mention that there are no records at all of 7 day seasons and a lot of TVMs don't connect to a season database.

 

[PeterC]

For one, TVMs don't have barcode scanners, and for two, there is no complete record of photocards that have been issued. There are some on circulation that are of a considerable age! However, I think showing what is meant as a photocard would be a good idea.

But the number could still be validated if it was in a consistent format with a check digit.

 

[Haywain]

But the number could still be validated if it was in a consistent format with a check digit.

there is no complete record of photocards that have been issued. There are some on circulation that are of a considerable age!

How do you add check digits to photocards that have been issued without them?

 

[PeterC]

How do you add check digits to photocards that have been issued without them?

So what dingbat came up with a numbering scheme that wasn't self validating? The concept was well known and in use long before railway photocards came along.

 

[Bletchleyite]

So what dingbat came up with a numbering scheme that wasn't self validating? The concept was well known and in use long before railway photocards came along.

I don't think it was - Railway photocards pre-date a lot of IT things.

 

[Deerfold]

Remember folks. Licence is the noun and license the verb. If you're not sure think of advice/advise.

Unfortunately that seems to be another pair of words that are often confused.