Why do so many people take ANY excuse to have a go at railway staff and Bob?

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  1. rmt-driver

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    Reading a completly non-rail related forum (hotUKdeals if anyone knows it?) I came accross this thread.. it made my blood boil!!

    I am so sick of people telling us that driving trains is so easy, and we don't do anything hardly and don't deserve even half of our salary !!

    This particular thread started as someone letting others know they can claim for a refund if there journey is delayed... it didn't take long until it turned into a hate campaign against 1) Bob 2) Drivers, and 3) people who commit suicide!

    If you are a member of that site, please go on and post support the railway staff !

    Link : http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/full-refund-tfl-vouchers-delayed-more-than-15-minutes-london-underground-1063655?page=2
     
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  3. Cherry_Picker

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    Most of it is just ranting, much like when people decide a footballer is crap because their team lost last week or all bankers are evil because of the actions of a few. Dont lose any sleep over it mate, and there is certainly no need to start a cross forum flame war.
     
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    It's not worth your effort.
     
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    maybe because general passengers receive a terrible service for huge fares, seeing headlines about the salary, cast iron pensions, vast number of holidays and going on strike regularly does not wash well when customers are struggling to make ends meet .
     
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    Chill mate, I'm sure Bob isn't worried either. Re-elected again unopposed. As long as he does his bit for us, who cares what others think.
     
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    Some people just really hate the fact that people from other industries can organise themselves to campaign for a better lot for themselves.

    Ho hum.
     
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    Bob? Oh, Bob Crowe, possibly the UK's last remaining Marxist.
     
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    Agreed - You would think there is a lesson in that for people
     
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    I believe the last industries to be that well organised were the coal industry, shipbuilding industry and british car industry, do you notice a pattern ?
     
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    Or it could be the same people read articles in the press that bear no resemblance to the actually truth and swallow it hook line and sinker. Which funnily enough seems to be exactly what you have done
     
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    LOL Like Captain Pugwash there by the sounds of it ....
     
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    hasn't Bob been campaigning assiduously for at least the last 15 years to get the railways renationalised? Yup, lot of success he's achieved there.
     
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    who may be a bloody idiot BUT he does his job and lokos after his members intrests. Which is his job. BTW I am not RMT member - however i am in a union which represents transport staff who take another approach to employee/employer relations
     
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    That is odd. In fifteen years on the railway I have been out on strike on precisely zero occasions.
     
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    Well amazingly enough, but no less odd I have gone through 13 years on the Railway and have been on strike, erm let me think, oh yes ZERO occasions too.
    Then again why would I need to go on strike. I have enough time off with all those Holidays I get :roll:
     
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    never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
     
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    Why let facts get in the way of a good rant?

    Bold text is your opinion, not fact.
     
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    Yes. None of them provided an essential public service?
     
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    Thankfully we cannot rip up the railway lines of the UK and relay them abroad and still provide a transport service from A-B, unlike selling off, closing down and moving overseas manufacturing.

    Though we do a good line in selling off the operation of services on the above lines to foreign companies.
     
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    I wouldnt be so sure, im sure 50% of those points could have some statistical data behind them
     
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    They were all destroyed by a fascist dogmatic government led by a hateful witch, hell bent on oppressing the working man while lining the pockets of the fat cats ( or something like that)
     
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    Only regularly can be quantified. The others are virtually defined as opinion words.
     
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    Notwithstanding my remarks about Bob above, I cannot argue with that.
     
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    Which ones ?
     
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    Coal industry - not essential ??? It certainly isn't now after its Marxist leader did his thing in 1984. ;)
     
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    i didn't see this before.
    all i can say is, wth?
     
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    Perhaps if the bankers & politicians were as good at their jobs as Mr Crow is at his, we wouldn't be staring a second recession in the face.

    I'm not a rail worker, but I wouldn't want the responsibility that rests on a driver's shoulders day in day out.

    Pay & conditions are one thing but its no reason to have a go at the footplate staff because their union has managed to negotiate a good deal. In my experience, most delays are caused by infrastructure failure or management incompetence in failing to employ enough drivers in the first place.
     
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    Oh the irony. And here was me thinking rail wasn't an essential public service that didn't need to provide trains on Boxing Day! ;)
     
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    Rail is an essential public service that will exist for many years as a tried and tested technology, and is indeed a booming industry. Coal mining became unimportant as our reserves ran out and it became replaced with other forms of energy, some of which were imported. Shipbuilding was never an essential public service. The British car industry was never an essential public service either.

    Claims that these industries are on a par with the rail industry are entirely fallacious, particularly with reference to unionisation "destroying" those industries.
     
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    ALL modes of transport from an essential part of the way we now live our lives. I'd have a 3 mile walk to my nearest train station and that only sees one train in each direction not even everyday (Blaydon). It's at least 4 miles to the nearest station of any use (MetroCentre) and 9 miles to my nearest mainline station (Newcastle Central) How do I get to any of these? By bus. If I was a car driver, I may even drive. Indeed, I have to rely on my car driving Dad to get me back from Morecambe after Christmas due to the lack of any trains (how great is that for a supposed public service?).

    Lest we forget, coal WAS essential til the 60s to enable trains to actually move (have you forgotten those things known as locomotives?)! Britain's wealth relied on its coal industry, both for powering its shipping (another thing you claim has never been essential which is utterly laughable for anyone who has an even basic understanding of the history of our nation!), running its power stations and heating its homes. Coal is STILL an essential resource in terms of creating electricity, the only difference is we now import it (at great social cost to whole swathes of communities in Wales, Yorkshire and the North East). No one knows what would have happened to the coal industry had things panned out differently. However, most commentators agree that Arthur Scargill almost single-handedly destroyed the industry he purported to be trying to protect. For him, it wasn't about saving the jobs of miners but in completely overthrowing the democratically elected government. Margaret Thatcher, for all her flaws (and my word there are many!), had her hand dealt for her in many ways. Scargill's actions caused the downfall of an entire industry.

    I'm no car lover, but they are essential for many people to enable them to go about their daily lives. I choose to restrict myself to buses, but that does restrict where I can live and equally where I can work. Since deregulation, only the profitable routes survive which leaves many estates, villages and rural areas totally without public transport provision. For those people the car IS essential and by extension, the car building industry IS essential. To claim the railways are somehow more important than anything else is at best the misguided rose tinted view of an enthusiast and at worst completely false.

    To get back on topic, I don't believe the vast majority of rail users do take any excuse to have a go at railway staff. I would say that I personally believe that they are extremely lucky to get the kind of renumeration they do and I find it very irksome when you see some of the initial demands of rail unions whenever pay negotiations take place, even if they are simple bargaining tools. As for Bob, he's just an objectional person. He represents his members well internally, but externally he is the reason so many people dislike the RMT and, sadly, sometimes that means by extension its members. I'll always remember him for his foul mouthed tirade at Morecambe Football Club's manager during at match at Dagenham at couple of years ago which showed him in his true colours. Incidentally, he may talk the talk as some kind of true left-wing warrior, but anyone with his salary could never be anything more than a champagne socialist!

    Finally, the actions of unions in the late 70s and early 80s caused the stripping away of the so-called power of said unions. The actions of unions in 2011 may well be the catalyst for further union reform, most specifically a changing in rules so that at least 50% of union members would have to vote in a ballot before results become valid. Unions play a very dangerous game of cat and mouse. All of them, including the RMT, need to tread very carefully over the next 2 years.
     
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