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Why do some passengers not get how annoying it is to play music and videos out loud?

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Kids are addicted from an early age to the stimulus, starting young enough that earphones are not an option. This is not helped by the fact parents have all too readily let this device be an easy way to keep them quiet.

No surprise then that this generation prefer noisy environments and means of social engagement, with endless voice notes and even being unable to walk down a street without being engaged in a live chat about nothing.

Once they hit adulthood, they unsurprisingly then can't exist in the real world without constant noise. They don't see how annoying it is, because for them, it's normal. Tut all you want, you're not speaking their language.

As far I can tell, if the kid can't be taught some good manners in the critical period between the distracted toddler years and their first steps toward independent socializing where a device is mandatory, then they're a lost cause.

Something something schools.
 
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Kids are addicted from an early age to the stimulus, starting young enough that earphones are not an option. This is not helped by the fact parents have all too readily let this device be an easy way to keep them quiet.

No surprise then that this generation prefer noisy environments and means of social engagement, with endless voice notes and even being unable to walk down a street without being engaged in a live chat about nothing.

Once they hit adulthood, they unsurprisingly then can't exist in the real world without constant noise. They don't see how annoying it is, because for them, it's normal. Tut all you want, you're not speaking their language.

As far I can tell, if the kid can't be taught some good manners in the critical period between the distracted toddler years and their first steps toward independent socializing where a device is mandatory, then they're a lost cause.

Something something schools.
As a kid myself, I literally never watch anything on trains. Even if I did, I'd always use headphones and my friends probably would too. Besides, I like knowing where I am and what's going on around me. I always just look at rail forums, twitter or RTT as I don't see the need to watch something on the train when I could just wait until I get home
 

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Another early morning train, another passenger (an adult, not a teenager doing it for annoyance) playing multiple music tracks and streaming videos out loud instead of using ear buds. It really should be obvious how annoying it is to others, and just about everyone with a phone also has ear buds or head phones. Just what is it that they fail to understand?
I did some time out in Japan and its crazy the difference
 

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Kids are addicted from an early age to the stimulus, starting young enough that earphones are not an option. This is not helped by the fact parents have all too readily let this device be an easy way to keep them quiet.

No surprise then that this generation prefer noisy environments and means of social engagement, with endless voice notes and even being unable to walk down a street without being engaged in a live chat about nothing.

Once they hit adulthood, they unsurprisingly then can't exist in the real world without constant noise. They don't see how annoying it is, because for them, it's normal. Tut all you want, you're not speaking their language.

As far I can tell, if the kid can't be taught some good manners in the critical period between the distracted toddler years and their first steps toward independent socializing where a device is mandatory, then they're a lost cause.

Something something schools.
As a kid, I personally have no clue what most of the things people of the same or a similar age to myself are saying means anyways. I cant stand watching things on trains I would much rather know what is going on around me or knowing where I am, I prefer to browse the forums on here or RTT. As a general rule of thumb i always take a pair of headphone with me when im on a train anyways so that I can put my Spotify playlist on in the background.

Speaking from personal experience I always tend to get the one person who deems it to be acceptable to get on a train and have the loudest phone conversation in the world on speakerphone come and sit next to me. It's usually at this point I choose to get myheadphones out and put Spotify on.
 
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The driver made an announcement to request that ‘the young gentleman in the first class at the front of the train please turn his very loud music off, or this train will not be going anywhere’.
Probably the modern equivalent of a boom box being played loud enough to penetrate the cab.

No surprise then that this generation prefer...
It's not just one generation, I have to tell people in their thirties and fifties to pack the noise in too.
 

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But why should we have to put on our own headphones when we're trying to have a normal conversation with family or friends? It's the other person who is being pig ignorant, not us.
Actually, I’ve started noticing it working the other way recently - people trying to have conversations with me even though I’ve got a pair of headphones on. If I’m wearing those, it’s usually because my social battery is too low for interaction with people and I want to be left alone!

Something something schools.
If they haven’t learned the basics by the time they reach school, then it’s too late. Schools have enough to be doing, and that was before some idiot politician decided they had to do tooth brushing with the kids, but never put any money into the pot to actually buy toothpaste or brushes. Now the railway strikes are mostly settled, maybe we could have a teachers one? Make it feel like a proper labour government? :p
 
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As a kid, I personally have no clue what most of the things people of the same or a similar age to myself are saying means anyways. I cant stand watching things on trains I would much rather know what is going on around me or knowing where I am, I prefer to browse the forums on here or RTT. As a general rule of thumb i always take a pair of headphone with me when im on a train anyways so that I can put my Spotify playlist on in the background.

Speaking from personal experience I always tend to get the one person who deems it to be acceptable to get on a train and have the loudest phone conversation in the world on speakerphone come and sit next to me. It's usually at this point I choose to get myheadphones out and put Spotify on.
I know what it all means, but I never say it. I don't think I've ever had someone do something annoying near me on a train
 

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Kids are addicted from an early age to the stimulus, starting young enough that earphones are not an option. This is not helped by the fact parents have all too readily let this device be an easy way to keep them quiet.

No surprise then that this generation prefer noisy environments and means of social engagement, with endless voice notes and even being unable to walk down a street without being engaged in a live chat about nothing.

Once they hit adulthood, they unsurprisingly then can't exist in the real world without constant noise. They don't see how annoying it is, because for them, it's normal. Tut all you want, you're not speaking their language.

As far I can tell, if the kid can't be taught some good manners in the critical period between the distracted toddler years and their first steps toward independent socializing where a device is mandatory, then they're a lost cause.

Something something schools.

That's interesting and very plausable, something I hadn't thought of.

Smartphones and tablets are very useful, but have a lot to answer for too.
 

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I love being able to watch youtube / my uni lecture videos on the train for example. But the big difference here is, I actually know what headphones are and wear them! Nothing ever gets played out loud.
 

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I have to confess that I once (unintentionally) broadcast an episode of ‘Normal People’ to a sparsely-populated Thameslink train during lockdown. My earphone lead was not fully inserted into my laptop and a raunchy love scene was audible several carriages down. A kindly GTR staff member alerted me, much to my embarrassment :oops:
 

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I would agree, something needs to be done because it's becoming an ever increasing problem and I have no doubt it'll completely put some people like the elderly off using public transport. I even choose to use the car sometimes where I could use the train just because I get some peace and quiet.
Agreed; it puts me off public transport, at least in Britain. The Brits are too 'I, me and myself. The world can get stuffed; I know my rights'.
 

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Agreed; it puts me off public transport, at least in Britain. The Brits are too 'I, me and myself. The world can get stuffed; I know my rights'.

This seems a rather sweeping generalisation. In any case, having used public transport on both Spain and Italy in the last fortnight, it’s exactly the same there.
 

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The lack of included headphones with gadgets and the removal of generic 3.5mm headphone jacks also has something to answer for.

I used to challenge people playing stuff on speakers on trains back when I was younger, fitter, and braver, but now I'm too afraid of getting punched or stabbed, so I move off to another coach or don my own noise cancellers.
 

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Kids are addicted from an early age to the stimulus, starting young enough that earphones are not an option. This is not helped by the fact parents have all too readily let this device be an easy way to keep them quiet.

No surprise then that this generation prefer noisy environments and means of social engagement, with endless voice notes and even being unable to walk down a street without being engaged in a live chat about nothing.

Once they hit adulthood, they unsurprisingly then can't exist in the real world without constant noise. They don't see how annoying it is, because for them, it's normal. Tut all you want, you're not speaking their language.

As far I can tell, if the kid can't be taught some good manners in the critical period between the distracted toddler years and their first steps toward independent socializing where a device is mandatory, then they're a lost cause.

Something something schools.
As yet another kid, having spent far too much time on the Forum moaning about other kids, I would be inclined to agree in general, but I do think your post is something of a generalisation. Lots of the people I've noticed doing it are 20- or 30-somethings, although to be fair this is probably more indicative of the general demographic of my area than anything else.

Disagreements of various kinds regarding acceptable noise have been around for generations. I know people who can do anything with ambient noise coming from the TV, and people who can't concentrate at all with it in the background; people who are perfectly used to whistling such that they tune it out (or, like me, start whistling without realising :oops:), and people who find it horribly piercing.
No surprise then that this generation prefer noisy environments and means of social engagement, with endless voice notes and even being unable to walk down a street without being engaged in a live chat about nothing.
Not just "this" generation. In my experience, it's a sizeable amount of the under-50 population. I hate loud environments almost as much as I hate social engagement, so I guess I'm an outlier! I don't have, let alone use, headphones - if I want to watch a video or listen to some music, it can wait until I get home, and I'd far prefer to listen for announcements anyway - so clearly I don't think they're a prerequisite for modern life, but I can never help but wonder whether it would, in fact, be worth it to block out all the inane noise. Usually, I discount this in my head for three reasons. I can't deny that some of the loud conversations I've overheard on trains are highly amusing - my favourite is the person trying to convince his (grown-up) daughter that the ferry from North Shields to South Shields also goes from South Shields to North Shields! Also, in my experience, headphones only make people louder when they do talk, as they struggle to hear themselves through them. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, I've given more than one person help and/or advice because I've noticed their predicament (unable to open door, trying to use the Tube to get to Ipswich, etc.), which I wouldn't be able to do if I was absorbed in my headphones.
Once they hit adulthood, they unsurprisingly then can't exist in the real world without constant noise. They don't see how annoying it is, because for them, it's normal. Tut all you want, you're not speaking their language.
A phenomenon that has existed in many forms for as long as there has been cultural change, in this case exacerbated by, in my opinion, people losing their situational awareness during COVID.


I think it's a perfect storm, to be honest. I think part of it is the trend in short-form videos with attached "music", coupled with the pandemic, coupled with a general rise in discourteousness among people of a larger age range than one might think. If someone is playing "music" out loud on a train, usually I don't intervene - I'm not going to change anyone's mind - unless they're already sitting right next to me. But it's not just music - voices are routinely raised to far above acceptable levels, there are loads of drunken football fans singing and chanting (always a nightmare, and in 99 times out of 100 worse than the kids playing "music", which is, at least, slightly more likely to have a tune), and, in terms of other anti-social behaviour, vaping is rife (again, not always kids), feet practically live on seats, and queuing can be disorderly, although I think less so in commuter-belt country.

One incident in particular sticks in my mind whenever I'm thinking about this problem. I was boarding a train with a short turnaround at its terminus, and, as I got on - the first on the train - through one door, I heard a loud shout from the other door in the carriage, along the lines of, "Oi! Have some manners!" or words to that effect. The shout was closely followed by a teenager, and then the owner of the shout, who was, I would guess, in his fifties. I could guess what happened - the boy had clearly pushed past the man in the rush to get on the carriage first, or something similar - the doors are wide enough to fit two people through side-by-side. I would have thought nothing of it - apart from the fact that, as the train pulled in, people strung out along the platform, I had spotted the man who had shouted, who was originally standing a few feet to my left, reach out for the door button on the penultimate door and walk down the platform, in step with the train, with his hand on it. If I had been standing in the proper position for that door, I know what I would have thought of such behaviour. Trains - especially commuter trains - are seen as being these boring metal tubes that get you from A to B and give you however many minutes of doing nothing, a bit of time to yourself before the long grind of work. Some time in your own little world.

I think that rather insular mindset, above anything else, is the root of the problem.
 

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The lack of included headphones with gadgets and the removal of generic 3.5mm headphone jacks also has something to answer for.

I used to challenge people playing stuff on speakers on trains back when I was younger, fitter, and braver, but now I'm too afraid of getting punched or stabbed, so I move off to another coach or don my own noise cancellers.

Definitely.

You probably know that Apple used to include a pair of earphones until a few years ago. They were cheap, leaked noise a little, didn't fit well, and were not particularly great, but I used to see lots of people using them. Then Apple stopped supplying them with a device, from when roughly this particular problem started to increase.

Appreciate this has been mentioned before upthread.
 

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This seems a rather sweeping generalisation. In any case, having used public transport on both Spain and Italy in the last fortnight, it’s exactly the same there.
Might be sweeping but I agree. The everyday thoughtlessness in UK society is dreadful and is not restricted to public transport. The recent riots have demonstrated that the public are capable of coming together at least locally to confront a tangible threat, but in the absence of such a situation, individualism is the norm.
 

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Might be sweeping but I agree. The everyday thoughtlessness in UK society is dreadful and is not restricted to public transport. The recent riots have demonstrated that the public are capable of coming together at least locally to confront a tangible threat, but in the absence of such a situation, individualism is the norm.

Certainly agree it’s a problem. I’m just not convinced we’re a lot worse than European neighbours based on my recent sojourns.

Admittedly I haven’t done much international travel since Covid, really only restarting this year, so perhaps others have a more informed view.
 

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Modern smartphones with USB-C ports can be connected to ordinary wired headphones or earbuds using a USB-C to 3.5mm adapter, which don't cost a lot (even the Apple one is only ~£10).
That's still ten times the price of wired earbuds in Poundland.
 
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As yet another kid, having spent far too much time on the Forum moaning about other kids, I would be inclined to agree in general, but I do think your post is something of a generalisation. Lots of the people I've noticed doing it are 20- or 30-somethings, although to be fair this is probably more indicative of the general demographic of my area than anything else.

Disagreements of various kinds regarding acceptable noise have been around for generations. I know people who can do anything with ambient noise coming from the TV, and people who can't concentrate at all with it in the background; people who are perfectly used to whistling such that they tune it out (or, like me, start whistling without realising :oops:), and people who find it horribly piercing.

Not just "this" generation. In my experience, it's a sizeable amount of the under-50 population. I hate loud environments almost as much as I hate social engagement, so I guess I'm an outlier! I don't have, let alone use, headphones - if I want to watch a video or listen to some music, it can wait until I get home, and I'd far prefer to listen for announcements anyway - so clearly I don't think they're a prerequisite for modern life, but I can never help but wonder whether it would, in fact, be worth it to block out all the inane noise. Usually, I discount this in my head for three reasons. I can't deny that some of the loud conversations I've overheard on trains are highly amusing - my favourite is the person trying to convince his (grown-up) daughter that the ferry from North Shields to South Shields also goes from South Shields to North Shields! Also, in my experience, headphones only make people louder when they do talk, as they struggle to hear themselves through them. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, I've given more than one person help and/or advice because I've noticed their predicament (unable to open door, trying to use the Tube to get to Ipswich, etc.), which I wouldn't be able to do if I was absorbed in my headphones.

A phenomenon that has existed in many forms for as long as there has been cultural change, in this case exacerbated by, in my opinion, people losing their situational awareness during COVID.


I think it's a perfect storm, to be honest. I think part of it is the trend in short-form videos with attached "music", coupled with the pandemic, coupled with a general rise in discourteousness among people of a larger age range than one might think. If someone is playing "music" out loud on a train, usually I don't intervene - I'm not going to change anyone's mind - unless they're already sitting right next to me. But it's not just music - voices are routinely raised to far above acceptable levels, there are loads of drunken football fans singing and chanting (always a nightmare, and in 99 times out of 100 worse than the kids playing "music", which is, at least, slightly more likely to have a tune), and, in terms of other anti-social behaviour, vaping is rife (again, not always kids), feet practically live on seats, and queuing can be disorderly, although I think less so in commuter-belt country.

One incident in particular sticks in my mind whenever I'm thinking about this problem. I was boarding a train with a short turnaround at its terminus, and, as I got on - the first on the train - through one door, I heard a loud shout from the other door in the carriage, along the lines of, "Oi! Have some manners!" or words to that effect. The shout was closely followed by a teenager, and then the owner of the shout, who was, I would guess, in his fifties. I could guess what happened - the boy had clearly pushed past the man in the rush to get on the carriage first, or something similar - the doors are wide enough to fit two people through side-by-side. I would have thought nothing of it - apart from the fact that, as the train pulled in, people strung out along the platform, I had spotted the man who had shouted, who was originally standing a few feet to my left, reach out for the door button on the penultimate door and walk down the platform, in step with the train, with his hand on it. If I had been standing in the proper position for that door, I know what I would have thought of such behaviour. Trains - especially commuter trains - are seen as being these boring metal tubes that get you from A to B and give you however many minutes of doing nothing, a bit of time to yourself before the long grind of work. Some time in your own little world.

I think that rather insular mindset, above anything else, is the root of the problem.
Yeah. The most common annoyance I get is really loud conversations. I guess the rural GA passengers are just good like that
 

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Certainly agree it’s a problem. I’m just not convinced we’re a lot worse than European neighbours based on my recent sojourns.
I suspect that northern Europe will differ from southern Europe in this respect.
 
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Might be sweeping but I agree. The everyday thoughtlessness in UK society is dreadful and is not restricted to public transport. The recent riots have demonstrated that the public are capable of coming together at least locally to confront a tangible threat, but in the absence of such a situation, individualism is the norm.
I don't find the UK that bad. Like when I go to places in mainland Europe, there are lots of people being really loud in restaurants, smoking inside and playing things loudly on their phones
 

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I don't find the UK that bad. Like when I go to places in mainland Europe, there are lots of people being really loud in restaurants, smoking inside and playing things loudly on their phones
Smoking inside is not illegal in some countries (notably Germany). If the legal ban was ever lifted here l'm certain that some businesses would permit it.

Many nationalities (Southern and Eastern European, African, Carribbean) are culturally much louder than Brits.
 
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As yet another kid, having spent far too much time on the Forum moaning about other kids, I would be inclined to agree in general, but I do think your post is something of a generalisation. Lots of the people I've noticed doing it are 20- or 30-somethings, although to be fair this is probably more indicative of the general demographic of my area than anything else.

Disagreements of various kinds regarding acceptable noise have been around for generations. I know people who can do anything with ambient noise coming from the TV, and people who can't concentrate at all with it in the background; people who are perfectly used to whistling such that they tune it out (or, like me, start whistling without realising :oops:), and people who find it horribly piercing.

Not just "this" generation. In my experience, it's a sizeable amount of the under-50 population. I hate loud environments almost as much as I hate social engagement, so I guess I'm an outlier! I don't have, let alone use, headphones - if I want to watch a video or listen to some music, it can wait until I get home, and I'd far prefer to listen for announcements anyway - so clearly I don't think they're a prerequisite for modern life, but I can never help but wonder whether it would, in fact, be worth it to block out all the inane noise. Usually, I discount this in my head for three reasons. I can't deny that some of the loud conversations I've overheard on trains are highly amusing - my favourite is the person trying to convince his (grown-up) daughter that the ferry from North Shields to South Shields also goes from South Shields to North Shields! Also, in my experience, headphones only make people louder when they do talk, as they struggle to hear themselves through them. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, I've given more than one person help and/or advice because I've noticed their predicament (unable to open door, trying to use the Tube to get to Ipswich, etc.), which I wouldn't be able to do if I was absorbed in my headphones.

A phenomenon that has existed in many forms for as long as there has been cultural change, in this case exacerbated by, in my opinion, people losing their situational awareness during COVID.


I think it's a perfect storm, to be honest. I think part of it is the trend in short-form videos with attached "music", coupled with the pandemic, coupled with a general rise in discourteousness among people of a larger age range than one might think. If someone is playing "music" out loud on a train, usually I don't intervene - I'm not going to change anyone's mind - unless they're already sitting right next to me. But it's not just music - voices are routinely raised to far above acceptable levels, there are loads of drunken football fans singing and chanting (always a nightmare, and in 99 times out of 100 worse than the kids playing "music", which is, at least, slightly more likely to have a tune), and, in terms of other anti-social behaviour, vaping is rife (again, not always kids), feet practically live on seats, and queuing can be disorderly, although I think less so in commuter-belt country.

One incident in particular sticks in my mind whenever I'm thinking about this problem. I was boarding a train with a short turnaround at its terminus, and, as I got on - the first on the train - through one door, I heard a loud shout from the other door in the carriage, along the lines of, "Oi! Have some manners!" or words to that effect. The shout was closely followed by a teenager, and then the owner of the shout, who was, I would guess, in his fifties. I could guess what happened - the boy had clearly pushed past the man in the rush to get on the carriage first, or something similar - the doors are wide enough to fit two people through side-by-side. I would have thought nothing of it - apart from the fact that, as the train pulled in, people strung out along the platform, I had spotted the man who had shouted, who was originally standing a few feet to my left, reach out for the door button on the penultimate door and walk down the platform, in step with the train, with his hand on it. If I had been standing in the proper position for that door, I know what I would have thought of such behaviour. Trains - especially commuter trains - are seen as being these boring metal tubes that get you from A to B and give you however many minutes of doing nothing, a bit of time to yourself before the long grind of work. Some time in your own little world.

I think that rather insular mindset, above anything else, is the root of the problem.
Anyway, when people are being annoying on trains, it's pretty much never kids

Smoking inside is not illegal in some countries (notably Germany). If the legal ban was ever lifted here l'm certain that some businesses would permit it.

Many nationalities (Southern and Eastern European, African, Carribbean) are culturally much louder than Brits.
Exactly
 

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Anyway, when people are being annoying on trains, it's pretty much never kids
I'd disagree with "pretty much never" - you've clearly not been on the service I have to commute on! - but certainly it's not nearly so high a proportion as is often insinuated in these kinds of discussions.
 

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I got a mouthful of abuse from a group of four men aged about 40 blasting heavy metal music on a video - stunned, aggrieved and mortally offended that I politely ask them to turn off speaker mode. Cue a lot of effing and jeffing but one of the group seemed sensible and clearly had a word with the main detractor.

Laura x
 

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Anyway, when people are being annoying on trains, it's pretty much never kids

I got a mouthful of abuse from a group of four men aged about 40 blasting heavy metal music on a video - stunned, aggrieved and mortally offended that I politely ask them to turn off speaker mode. Cue a lot of effing and jeffing but one of the group seemed sensible and clearly had a word with the main detractor.

Laura x

I’d agree with both of the above - by far and away the worst behaviour I’ve witnessed on the railway has been from people who are old enough to know better - including the phone annoyances.
 
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I'd disagree with "pretty much never" - you've clearly not been on the service I have to commute on! - but certainly it's not nearly so high a proportion as is often insinuated in these kinds of discussions.
I haven't, but from my experiences, what I said is true. I'd say most kids (including me) don't want to embarrass themselves or be noticed when on public transport.
 

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I’d agree with both of the above - by far and away the worst behaviour I’ve witnessed on the railway has been from people who are old enough to know better - including the phone annoyances.

I remember taking a swimming club to Trafford Park for a competition, and they asked if we could go to McDonalds afterwards. I agreed to go on the condition I would wait for them as long as needed, but no food would be brought onto the coach (it’s never pleasant cleaning up afterwards, and the greasy smells linger for days).

To their credit, not one of the participants (aged from about 9 to 17) came back with anything- the only person who did was a 40+ year old trainer who figured the rules didn’t apply to him, and was most put out when I explained that they most certainly did and that he should be leading by example.
 

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