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Discussion in 'Traction & Rolling Stock' started by ECML125, 6 Jan 2019.

Should UK TOCs be required to have AdBlue Systems installed?

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  1. Mikey C

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    There is a lot of anger at the proposed cruise ship terminal at Greenwich for similar reasons.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-new-london-cruise-ship-terminal-river-thames
     
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    There's an additional deadline for existing vehicles, with a financial incentive scheme to part-exchange them for new ZEC models. It's 2022 iirc, with the Mayor planning to bring it forward to 2020.
     
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    Why ? They are a special group of tourists who usually spend nothing in the local economy save for the local tourist attraction gift shop because they have spending money on the ship as part of the package and the coaches carrying them add to congestion and pollution on our road network. That's ignoring the environmental impact of the ship itself. Please note this is a not a argument against tourism in general- it's more to do with the whole idea of the cruise ship, it all seems too sheltered and removed from reality and the environmental impact is too much to be acceptable and must be dealt with.
     
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    I spent nothing on board when I was on a cruise.
    I spent lots in the local economy at the places I visited.
    The people I went with were the same.
    Anyone who spends money on the cruise ship is an idiot. I mean, £7-£10 for a 330ml bottle of coke? £3.50 for a small tub of pringles? Yeah, okay!
     
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    The only time I went on cruise was down the Yantze and several rail engineers had just finished a new build high speed project and were off on a good holiday. They ordered pallets of beer for delivery to the dockside for departure and only the non beer drinking passengers bought anything on board during the entire trip!
     
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    A lot of cruises are of little benefit to the local economy, for the environmental damage they cause, especially if they are half board, i.e. the passengers leave after breakfast and return by 6pm for dinner
     
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    It’s not the cruise part that I like. It’s the ship part. I like all ships not just cruise ships.
     
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    The important point is can they be charged up at home or when a cabbie is on a break?
     
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    The later would have required TfL and boroughs to engage and install charging points at suitable locations which they haven't!
     
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    Fair enough but shipping needs to get a hold on emissions, just as the car industry is starting to.
     
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    So you had a pallet of beer kegs on a boat trip up the Yangtze and you didn't eat or drink anything else? Beer's never a good idea on a boat :E
     
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    Well, there are clearly a lot of idiots around,since a lot of people on the cruise shop programmes spend huge amounts of money onboard!
     
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    Most likely as it is convineniant.
     
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    I agree with this. I inherited the gene that caused my Nana to call the police to find my Mum when she was little and disappeared in Liverpool, only to find her trying to get on a ship to Canada 'because I was always taken with how white the Canadian ones were. They just looked so magical'.

    That's why I was so horrified when I discovered their emissions profile. The engineering of many ships themselves - awesome. The fuel choice for powering them - immoral. The number of ugly big container ships required for ugly big amounts of unnecessary tat that ends up in landfill or the oceans - immoral.

    As for cruise ships, I had a tiny bit of involvement in the Liverpool cruise ship terminal. Cities like Liverpool clearly want it, other cities like Venice are starting to hate it. I sort of think it is up to cruise ships calls to decide for themselves. However, the ships absolutely must change their emissions profile (ship to shore power, electric out of port, LNG at least out of port with scrubbing (but no dumping) or they need to go.

    As for those who think they don't spend anything on board, what do you think your ticket price covers???
     
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    Food was already paid for but not beer /wine (the Ozzie engineers were a bit concerned about running out too!). Pallets of 24 pack cans much easier to handle logistically than kegs!
     
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    They are installing charge points and there are several taxi only points.
     
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    A very small fraction of what is actually needed.
     
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    And of course assumes the cab driver has a house to charge it up. Useless if they live in a flat.
     
  20. AlastairFraser

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    That much is true.
     
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    Still, a 24 pack of beer isn't that great a contribution to the local economy and people who have to put up with the pollution the cruise ship produces. As you mentioned, the food was already paid for.
     

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