Why I would never buy anything from Apple

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  1. cjmillsnun

    cjmillsnun Established Member

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    They are still relatively simple.

    A battery management system for the lithium cells. The same technology as on any lithium cell powered device where the voltage of individual cells is monitored so that they can't either run down completely to zero and charge too high. This couples via CAN bus in the case of CHAdeMO charge ports and for AC charging and via the pilot connector for CCS charging ports

    A three phase AC motor (normally 400V). Not too dissimilar to that in a train. Some kind of speed regulation and regenerative braking (again the same technology as a train can be used).

    A dirty great lithium battery pack.

    A three phase inverter for providing three phase AC for the motor.

    An AC on board charger (can be either single or three phase) with rectifier to convert to DC for the battery.

    A heat pump for the heater/air con

    Some kind of cooling for the battery, inverter and motor - normally liquid cooled with conventional antifreeze.

    The rest of the technology is appearing on ICE cars anyway (safety systems, infotainment, autonomous driving, suspension, friction braking, steering)

    What Tesla do is remarkably like Apple. They package it up really well and pump the price up.

    Case in point. The VW iD3 will be cheaper than the model 3 with a similar range, charging speed and arguably better build quality (VW for all their faults do know how to put a car together).
     
  2. cjmillsnun

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    Try the Moto G range. They have near enough pure Android and are as cheap as chips. That's what work give us. I've found my G5 to be solid, reasonably quick and reliable.
     
  3. Dai Corner

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    Another vote for Moto. I bought a G5S after reading many reviews and spotting it on offer at under £140.

    Getting back to Apple, I was an IT Manager before I retired and spent far more on their products than I would have given a free hand. There are only so many times you can demonstrate that Photoshop runs no better on an iMac than it does in a PC at half the price or that you don't need a £1000 MacBook to browse the Web and check emails.
     
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    I'd agree about the Samsungs, technically very good phones & probably better under the hood than iPhones. However Samsung's continued instance on using their rather fussy UI over the top of Android does spoil the experience. At my last upgrade I took what I thought was a step back from the S7 that I previously had, and opted for a Sony XZ2 & the difference is really noticeable, with the Sony leaving the S7 for dead in terms of performance, which I particularly appreciate as I do play some games on it. And the UI is a lot closer to the vanilla build of Android, plus I also got a year's worth of PlayStation Network as a freebie out of the blue. So yay Sony!! :D

    (P.S. I disagree with the Surfaces, I love my new work's one! Its just some of the software packages that my employer has as standard build that I find frustrating, we are not operating on many latest versions).
     
  5. GusB

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    I've never had an iThing, but I was required to use a Mac on a previous contract and ended up with a basic spec Mac Mini. On paper the specifications look quite good, but in practice I've found that performance-wise it's rather poor. After the contract ended it became a rather expensive monitor stand! I'm not a big fan of MacOS, and each new version seems to make the machine run much slower.
     
  6. Geezertronic

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    I wouldn't call myself an Apple Fanboy but I have had Apple iPhones since the iPhone 4, my wife and kids have Apple iPhones too, I have an Apple iPad, and my son has an iMAC. I did try a Samsung once but it went back as I could not get used to it. For me, it is easier for me to use Apple IOS than any of the Android versions. My current iPhone 7 is doing just fine and I have not felt the need to upgrade to the 8 or X so am on a SIM only for the moment

    I use Windows 7 on my personal laptop and my works laptop uses Windows 10
     
  7. Minilad

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    I do love all this talk about "fanboys" In my experience the anti Apple people make much more noise than the so called fanboys.
    Here's a suggestion. If you want to buy an Apple product then buy one. If you don't then don't. It really is that simple.
     
  8. Dai Corner

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    I have no problem with people spending their own money as they wish. In my case above it was taxpayers' money which I had a duty to get best value for but felt was being wasted.
     
  9. matacaster

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    As is 'cuddly' Branson.
     
  10. Crossover

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    I despise the likes of iTunes. but we have iPhones at work and generally they are pretty robust (I have not broken a screen on any phone yet) particularly software wise where the fact they are fairly locked down is good for us as my colleagues can't really screw them up too much!

    As for the Surfaces...we had a few Pro 3's and decided they were useless and moved to an alternative solution for tablets!
     
  11. Lucan

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    The "Fanboy" taunt arose as being about the admiration that many Apple customers have/had for Steve Jobs personally, regarding him as like a rock star. OTOH, grumbling about Apple, however noisily, is not a form of fandom, although you might come up with other words about it.

    Jobs is probably turning in his grave over the direction Apple is now taking. Not that I, as an outsider, ever admired Jobs anyway. I do reckon he was the greatest salesman of the late 20th century, but I don't regard that as a positive. I do admire his co-founder Wozniak however - he was the techie.
     
  12. Bletchleyite

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    Yet to have a solid tech business you need a techie and a salesman. With just a techie you get a company that doesn't last long (see Sinclair), with just a salesman, well, he's got nowt to sell.

    You very, very rarely get people good at both - when you do they tend to be quite rich...
     
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    What a load of rubbish.

    I have a MacBook Pro from 2015, and a Windows PC from 2016.

    Both cost around the same, both have very similar specs (although the PC edges it in terms of memory and processor).

    One of them still runs as fast as the day I got it. This is despite it having been dragged round the country several times and being almost completely full with huge 36 megapixel photos from my Nikon DSLR.
    The other one is a PC. Which I use for Train Sim.
     
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  14. Lucan

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    Indeed. A parallel with the Jobs-Wozniak partnership was Rolls-Royce. Rolls was the networker, businessman and salesman while Royce was the engineer.
     

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