Why is 55 002 a static exhibit?

[Trackman]

From what I understand, D200 needs a new main bearing in the aux generator, and could be restored to working order relatively easily, if it was desired.

The cracked bogie will pose a massive problem though.

I must admit that I thought it was around 25mph if driven in a certain way too Richard.
I’m sure I’ve experienced that on the odd preserved railway run?

I’ve tried it on a simulator, second engine kicks in at 30mph for what it's worth.

 

[EbbwJunction1]

The NRM kicked out its resident diesel group a couple of years ago, and later also gave the 125 group a kicking. Both groups were very capable and restored NRM locos to working order.

It seems to be the case that they had a change of policy and decided that they weren't interestes in operational diesels, other than a small one or two to run up and down the yard.

Many people were very unimpressed with the way the NRM behaved over this.

Are you sure about this (the bolded bit)?

I ask because the last time I went to the NRM (1st August 2019), both 6700 and 31018 were in the Workshop (along with 60007) and seemed to be undergoing a pretty general overhaul.

 

[Whistler40145]

If a member of the NRM Diesel fleet is in full working order, why can't they hire them out to Preserved Railways and use any funds raised to keep them in traffic?

 

[DB]

Are you sure about this (the bolded bit)?

I ask because the last time I went to the NRM (1st August 2019), both 6700 and 31018 were in the Workshop (along with 60007) and seemed to be undergoing a pretty general overhaul.

6700 is the main 'small' one which was being kept operational (probably because it was already operational). It was the only mainline locomotive kept running, so far as I know.

31018 hasn't run for years, and has asbestos in it - probably just cosmetic work on that one.

 

[EbbwJunction1]

Ah, okay, points taken; thanks.

 

[Whistler40145]

I assumed the only running loco was one of the Royal 47s

It's donkeys years since D6700 ran

 

[DB]

If a member of the NRM Diesel fleet is in full working order, why can't they hire them out to Preserved Railways and use any funds raised to keep them in traffic?

Seems to be their policy not to now. The prototype HST power car was loaned to the 125 group, who did an excellent job of restoring it to working order (it needed a huge amount of work). THe NRM treated them extremely badly subsequently, and it's now back as a static exhibit (it needs some minor work doing, which the 125 group would have done, but is not far from in working order). After that, and the situation with the museum's resident diesel group, any preservation group is likely to be extremely wary now, even if the NRM were to change its stance.

 

[Whistler40145]

Seems to be their policy not to now. The prototype HST power car was loaned to the 125 group, who did an excellent job of restoring it to working order (it needed a huge amount of work). THe NRM treated them extremely badly subsequently, and it's now back as a static exhibit (it needs some minor work doing, which the 125 group would have done, but is not far from in working order). After that, and the situation with the museum's resident diesel group, any preservation group is likely to be extremely wary now, even if the NRM were to change its stance.

I personally think it's absolutely disgusting behaviour by the NRM

 

[Mack91]

If a member of the NRM Diesel fleet is in full working order, why can't they hire them out to Preserved Railways and use any funds raised to keep them in traffic?

I believe they have a class 33 that is on loan to another railway

 

[Whistler40145]

I believe they have a class 33 that is on loan to another railway

That's probably 33116

 

[DB]

I assumed the only running loco was one of the Royal 47s

It's donkeys years since D6700 ran

The royal 47 probably isn't far off being in working order - as is the case with several of their diesels.

D6700 has been in working order in fairly recent years, although not mainline registered and little used.

 

[Trackman]

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31018 hasn't run for years, and has asbestos in it - probably just cosmetic work on that one.

I think so too.
I heard some cubicles or whatever had been filled with concrete because of the asbestos.

 

[xotGD]

I believe they have a class 33 that is on loan to another railway

At the Great Central. Was in need of a decent repaint when I saw it last year.

 

[Richard Scott]

The cracked bogie will pose a massive problem though.

Not necessarily, BR used to repair Peak bogies (so assume maybe dud same with 40s) with a kind of key to pull the crack together rather than weld it. I bet most 40s and peaks in preservation have signs of bogie cracks. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can elaborate.

 

[theblackwatch]

The royal 47 probably isn't far off being in working order - as is the case with several of their diesels.

The 47 is in full working order - it's done at least 2 short main line trips this year (most recently in October). Perhaps nobody noticed as they were too busy commenting online about the diesels never operating...

 

[DB]

The 47 is in full working order - it's done at least 2 short main line trips this year (most recently in October). Perhaps nobody noticed as they were too busy commenting online about the diesels never operating...

How would anyone 'notice' this unless it was publicised or they happened to live nearby and see it?

 

[37114]

Not necessarily, BR used to repair Peak bogies (so assume maybe dud same with 40s) with a kind of key to pull the crack together rather than weld it. I bet most 40s and peaks in preservation have signs of bogie cracks. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can elaborate.

D212 has had bogie cracking repaired while it has been preserved, it was famously stranded at the Mid Hants as it was moved there by rail from the MRC but a different inspector for the return leg picked up on some bogie cracks and said no to it going on the mainline.

 

[Trackman]

D212 has had bogie cracking repaired while it has been preserved, it was famously stranded at the Mid Hants as it was moved there by rail from the MRC but a different inspector for the return leg picked up on some bogie cracks and said no to it going on the mainline.

Oddly enough I've been reading about 40012 today and it wasn't that too expensive in the grand scheme of things.
I think they actually bought it with a fractured bogie.

 

[Richard Scott]

Oddly enough I've been reading about 40012 today and it wasn't that too expensive in the grand scheme of things.
I think they actually bought it with a fractured bogie.

Know this is now going off topic but think bogie cracks were probably least of the issues, believe it had a frost damaged engine block?

 

[Cowley]

Know this is now going off topic but think bogie cracks were probably least of the issues, believe it had a frost damaged engine block?

That brings back memories. There were lots of cases of that back then.

 

[Trackman]

Know this is now going off topic but think bogie cracks were probably least of the issues, believe it had a frost damaged engine block?

It did, The cast iron casing was stitch welded, cant remember the whole article, but I think it was a specialist firm in Sheffield.

 

[Townsend Hook]

It’s almost as if they’re in the business of running museums rather than running locos on other people’s railways

 

[DB]

It’s almost as if they’re in the business of running museums rather than running locos on other people’s railways

That's a very simplistic view - there is nothing unusual in a museum of machines demonstrating those machines working.

I assume that you are therefore also opposed to them spending a fortune on restoring Flying Scotsman to working order?

 

[Rikki Lamb]

That's a very simplistic view - there is nothing unusual in a museum of machines demonstrating those machines working.

I assume that you are therefore also opposed to them spending a fortune on restoring Flying Scotsman to working order?

I suspect you've missed the element of sarcasm in the comment.

I for one would prefer the locos save in a museum and not here there and everywhere but in one location where they can he seen and enjoyed.

Most frothing enthusiasts don't understand a museum exhibit is better off looked after in doors than out and about being played with and therefore getting damaged...the prototype HST for example and LEV1.

Flying Scotsman is a waste of money which could be better spent on maintaining a very good collection of stock not just on one wretched loco

 

[43096]

Most frothing enthusiasts don't understand a museum exhibit is better off looked after in doors than out and about being played with and therefore getting damaged...the prototype HST for example and LEV1.

The prototype HST went back to the museum in far better condition than it came out of the museum in.

 

[DB]

I suspect you've missed the element of sarcasm in the comment.

I for one would prefer the locos save in a museum and not here there and everywhere but in one location where they can he seen and enjoyed.

Most frothing enthusiasts don't understand a museum exhibit is better off looked after in doors than out and about being played with and therefore getting damaged...the prototype HST for example and LEV1.

Flying Scotsman is a waste of money which could be better spent on maintaining a very good collection of stock not just on one wretched loco

You obviously don't know much about the prototype HST. It left the museum as a wreck internally, and is now almost in working order, and could be a runner again without much work - it was the NRM who decided not to allow that work.

Your sneering disregard for 'frothing enthusiasts' makes it pretty clear that you have no respect for any views but your own.

 

[Darandio]

The 47 is in full working order - it's done at least 2 short main line trips this year (most recently in October). Perhaps nobody noticed as they were too busy commenting online about the diesels never operating...

I haven't seen the locomotive mentioned once this year anywhere, hardly surprising nobody has noticed.

 

[xotGD]

I for one would prefer the locos save in a museum and not here there and everywhere but in one location where they can he seen and enjoyed.

But they can't be fully enjoyed that way can they?

Locomotives can only be fully enjoyed when they are working. The sight, sounds and smell make an entire experience.

Is seeing a stuffed animal in a natural history museum the same as watching the live creature in the wild? Of course not.

 

[trebor79]

The prototype HST went back to the museum in far better condition than it came out of the museum in.

Indeed, the last time I saw it at the museum was years before the 125 Group had it. It was just dumped in a siding rotting away and completely covered in mould. A very sad sight.

 

[DB]

Indeed, the last time I saw it at the museum was years before the 125 Group had it. It was just dumped in a siding rotting away and completely covered in mould. A very sad sight.

It was externally presentable again prior to the 125 group having it, but was a very long way from in working order - the engine had been partially sectioned, among other major issues.