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Why is it Called Wellington SALOP?
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Salop is an abbreviation for Shropshire. There used to be another Wellington station is Somerset.
Gareth Marston
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Wellington (Somerset) is a town of 10K plus on mainline which shouldn't really have had its station closed so there's a chance of their being more than one Wellington on the network in the future.
Wikipedia explains the origin and use of Salop in some detail:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shropshire#Etymology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shropshire#Etymology
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LNW-GW Joint
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Like Newport South Wales (was Gwent), and Bangor Gwynedd.
And even Preston Lancs .
There's no obvious clash with other GB station names.
And even Preston Lancs .
There's no obvious clash with other GB station names.
telstarbox
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Also to avoid a confusion with Wallington station?
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Preston Park station in Sussex may explain Preston Lancs and Newport Essex station on the Cambridge Liverpool street line may explain the Newport South Wales
Preston Lancs is there so people can't turn it into Preston Park or Prestonpans by buying a ticket to Preston and then printing over it
It's the same reason that Shipley is Shipley Yorks, because the P in SHIPLEY could very easily become an R for SHIRLEY.
Some locations used to end in a full stop for similar reasons.
Newport S.Wales is there because there's also Newport Essex.
Bangor Gwynedd is there presumably because Bangor NI can appear on tickets.
adrock1976
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I remember back in the late 1980s/ early 1990s that the aforementioned station was referred to Wellington Telford West. Unsure if that was printed on the tickets at that time though.
61653 HTAFC
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I'd have thought there's more chance of confusion with those two than there is with Marsden (Yorks) and Marden (Kent), but what do I know?
I am tempted to buy a ticket from Apperley Bridge to Appley Bridge, just so I have the ticket!
Newton-le-Willows?
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Newton (Lanarkshire) and Newton Abbot as well!
61653 HTAFC
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Originally the confusion was between Marsden (Yorkshire) and Marsden (Lancashire.) However, in an attempt to avoid confusion between the two the Lancashire station got called Nelson Inn, Marsden with the town getting renamed Nelson (after the station) after some hamlets got merged in to it.
I think one of the most confusing ones is Hale, which now appears on tickets as Hale (Manchester.) Hale is an affluent village which until 1974 was in Cheshire but under the new boundaries is on the very edge of the Trafford borough in Greater Manchester and most of the residents still refer to the village as being in Cheshire but it's not part of the city of Manchester. Now there's another Hale near Widnes which historically would be in Lancashire but got moved in to Cheshire in 1974 and doesn't have a station. So if a ticket clerk wanted to be awkward -
"Can I have a return to Hale, Cheshire please?" "No. Hale, Cheshire doesn't have a station."
"Can I have one to Hale, Manchester then?" "No there isn't a Hale in Manchester"
"OK can I have one to Hale, Greater Manchester?" "Yes. However, the ticket says Hale, Manchester"
Entering "Newtown" into the search on www.streetmap.co.uk finds dozens of Newtowns. No doubt the others don't have stations - but on top of those there are even more dozens of Newtons.
New Mills Newtown
Perhaps having more than just the station name is useful in some circumstances. For instance, say you were in Hereford and wanted to travel to Newport (Shropshire) but weren't sure whether or not you could make the journey by train. If you typed in Hereford to Newport and got the details for Hereford to Newport (South Wales) the timings and cost wouldn't seem unrealistic for Newport (Shropshire.)
nr758123
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As an aside, I grew up in Newport, Shropshire. We regularly had to complain to the post office because any post addressed to us from family in Manchester generally arrived several days late, with someone having crossed Shropshire out and written Monmouthshire in its place.
Elecman
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Also Adlington Lancs and Adlington in Cheshire
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And Ashford International and Ashford (Surrey), and Gillingham (Kent) and Gillingham (Dorset)........
cjp
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Was there ever a time when one could buy a ticket from say London Bridge to Charing Cross for few pennies and then travel up to Glasgow? {Or attempt it
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}Okay, I get that, sorry I should have explained more.
How is "Salop" an abbreivation of Shropshire?
There's no A or L in Shropshire.
For example, as someone has pointed out above, you have Lancs for Lancashire, Leics for Leicestershire, Lincs for Lincolnshire, so why SALOP as apposed to Shrops?
Only ever seen it on the railway.
How is "Salop" an abbreivation of Shropshire?
There's no A or L in Shropshire.
For example, as someone has pointed out above, you have Lancs for Lancashire, Leics for Leicestershire, Lincs for Lincolnshire, so why SALOP as apposed to Shrops?
Only ever seen it on the railway.
Salop was the original name for the county which over the years became Shrops. When the council was established in the 1800s it was called Salop County Council.
Salop has also been used in place of Shrewsbury. My Dad used to live in Shrewsbury in the 1950s and still tends to use the term Salop for the county.
nr758123
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A bit before my time, but apparently Salop derives from a bunch of incomers who found it difficult to pronounce Shropshire. Incomers of the Norman French variety.
oglord
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It is from the Latinised "Salopia", as in "Floreat Salopia". See https://wikishire.co.uk/wiki/Shropshire
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