Why lights of seated coach of sleepers are not dimmed?

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Unlike berth coach, lights in seated coach of sleeper trains are not dimmed or extinguished when the train is moving.
Is there any regulation barring the operator from doing so, to improve the sleeping quality of passengers?
 
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Unlike berth coach, lights in seated coach of sleeper trains are not dimmed or extinguished when the train is moving.
Is there any regulation barring the operator from doing so, to improve the sleeping quality of passengers?
The lights on the Caledonian Sleeper seated coach are dimmed slightly after departure from Euston but they are still quite bright. This is why they give out eye masks.

In Mk2 days, they could set the lights to a half setting.
 

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The lights on the Caledonian Sleeper seated coach are dimmed slightly after departure from Euston but they are still quite bright. This is why they give out eye masks.

In Mk2 days, they could set the lights to a half setting.
Can't imagine that, given that the coach is a pretty new one.
If they can dim the light just like a plane does, that would be wonderful.
 

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Can't imagine that, given that the coach is a pretty new one.
Quite the opposite, I'd say! :(
If they can dim the light just like a plane does, that would be wonderful.
They used to be dim on the Mk2s.

I'm not going to go seated sleeper overnight on a Mk5 but my expectation is that they will be too bright.
 

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Quite the opposite, I'd say! :(
They used to be dim on the Mk2s.

I'm not going to go seated sleeper overnight on a Mk5 but my expectation is that they will be too bright.
And, the seated coach is a bit too expensive, with price from 53 pounds to Highlands...
 

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Having used the seated sleeper internally from intermediate stations within Scotland a few times on the WHL I assumed the lights were at a constant brightness. Having used the new seats to London for the first time realised they were dimmed for much of the journey, there was a marked turnup in the lighting level in the coach late in the journey. I agree they could be dimmer, but a constant brightness is better than turning the level up and down at each station, so perhaps a more significant dimming after leaving Edinburgh on the Highlander could be possible?
 

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The seated coaches of the French sleepers have the saloon lights switched off through the night, which is great... unfortunately the vestibule lights stay on and the partition is mostly glass!
 

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Used to dim the lights onto half / emergency lights on my old DMU for many years on nights, my old permanent shift. Usually had about 40 passengers or so en-route to the airport, and the train was well patrolled for safety. In the event of drunks or problems, the lights would stay on. Then, after a passenger wrote in thanking us for dimming the lights.... that company's 'ops standards' manager stated something about risk assessments and this 'dangerous practice must cease immediately' lol :) Well, good luck with that one. :p
 

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Wish Northern would dim the lights on all their ‘refurbished’ trains, these are far too bright, especially without any light covers
 

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The refreshed Night Riviera seated coaches have two light settings,bright and floodlit! Just what you need at 2am. Before refreshment they had the usual full/half light switches and were comfortably dim.
 

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As stated in the Night Riviera thread, yes there are now regulations on lighting. Our train should be presented with lights on dim in coaches A and B, if not, tell the train manager.
 

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As stated in the Night Riviera thread, yes there are now regulations on lighting. Our train should be presented with lights on dim in coaches A and B, if not, tell the train manager.
I’ll bet that when ÖBB take delivery of their new NightJet stock the lighting will be of a suitable level. In other words: they will get it right rather than hiding behind standards as a reason not to do something.
 

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I’ll bet that when ÖBB take delivery of their new NightJet stock the lighting will be of a suitable level. In other words: they will get it right rather than hiding behind standards as a reason not to do something.
Bang on. I've long given up on even having the illusion that TOCs or the DfT care about comfort.
 

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Yes you could... quite easily for less than half the price if you travel Megabus. A service which has brand new coaches and of course the lights are dimmed very well during night travel
Coach is more uncomfortable compared to train. I took megabus in feb , felt jammed in
 

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Yes you could... quite easily for less than half the price if you travel Megabus. A service which has brand new coaches and of course the lights are dimmed very well during night travel
Coach is more uncomfortable compared to train. I took megabus in feb , felt jammed in
 

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Coach is more uncomfortable compared to train. I took megabus in feb , felt jammed in
To be honest, I'm not sure you'd feel any different if you took the refurbished Night Riviera sleeper either. The fact that the "day coaches" were refurbished to soak up some of the morning commuter traffic - leaving them with a layout as bad as some of the High Density Mk3s was an awful idea. Now that it isn't a Cornish stopper, I wouldn't mind seeing a more appropriate interior / seat ratio chosen, but as this is GWR I doubt that anything will happen.
 

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To be honest, I'm not sure you'd feel any different if you took the refurbished Night Riviera sleeper either. The fact that the "day coaches" were refurbished to soak up some of the morning commuter traffic - leaving them with a layout as bad as some of the High Density Mk3s was an awful idea. Now that it isn't a Cornish stopper, I wouldn't mind seeing a more appropriate interior / seat ratio chosen, but as this is GWR I doubt that anything will happen.
I always thought the old Mark 2E BUOs on the Caledonian Sleeper had it right: 2+1 layout and comfortable seats.
 

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I was under the impression that the GWR seated coaches did have dimmed lighting.

The rules are stricter on new build stock - the new Caledonian Sleeper seated coaches have brighter lighting but I've been on several journeys where the crew have dimmed it during the middle of the night, so it is possible.

To be honest, I'm not sure you'd feel any different if you took the refurbished Night Riviera sleeper either. The fact that the "day coaches" were refurbished to soak up some of the morning commuter traffic - leaving them with a layout as bad as some of the High Density Mk3s was an awful idea. Now that it isn't a Cornish stopper, I wouldn't mind seeing a more appropriate interior / seat ratio chosen, but as this is GWR I doubt that anything will happen.
There's a lot more room in a GWR Sleeper day coach than there are in many road coaches. Not to mention access to a toilet, food and a decent sized seat back table. I don't think GWR are about to spend more money refitting sleeper coaches having spent millions doing so within the last 5 years - if they did it'd be money that could be better spent elsewhere.
 

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