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Does anyone know the coach number sequences for the 196 Class?
196 001 - 012: 121001 + 124001, etc
196 101 - 114: 121101 + 122101 + 123101 * 124101, etc
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Most helpful, thank you Roger B.
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Midlands Today are reporting that West Midlands Trains has said the first of its 80 new diesel carriages will enter service in August.
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Have they said which route that will be on?
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The BBC didn't say, this is from another source.
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A 196 looks to have been transported through Braunschweig (Brunswick) during the night along with a few Siemens Vectrons.
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It appears the first 196 has arrived in the UK (not my photo)...
I'm guessing that's the unit that was in Velim for testing? I think most (all?) production units were being assembled at Newport, not to mention the lockdown in spain for the last few weeks so it's unlikely to be from one of the spanish factories?
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That picture is taken on the Docks somewhere in Germany I believe. I also believe that Alleys are delivering it to the UK.
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Looking at the container crane, it looks to be Cuxhaven, Germany.
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Which unit is it ?
Don't know, I can just read signs I don't know much else about this unit at that dock
LOL The Irony
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Nice catch whoever got. I wonder if that will be on the next Train Truckers season?
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One for the caption competition: "Northerners... Look what you could have won!"
Bletchleyite
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Welcome to the forum!
Looks good without the orange visible
Looks good without the orange visible
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The first Class 196 appears to have arrived at Tyseley...
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It's probably been said but for anyone interested in the seating layout, it's available on the CAF website - not long ago this afternoon I was looking up details of TfW's Class 197's but found proper interior shots of the 196's.
I take it MTU engines will be the diesel engines in the 196's?
I like the idea of table seats at the cab ends of the carriages - if you look at the seating layout, it should remind you of the Quiet Coaches on XC HST's a bit. It reminds me of it.
Does anyone know if some sort of low-emission equipment (or SCR) is being installed in the 196's?
I take it MTU engines will be the diesel engines in the 196's?
I like the idea of table seats at the cab ends of the carriages - if you look at the seating layout, it should remind you of the Quiet Coaches on XC HST's a bit. It reminds me of it.
Does anyone know if some sort of low-emission equipment (or SCR) is being installed in the 196's?
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I wondered if the 170/6 solo, 170/6+153 or 170/5+153 diagrams and some of the 170/5 x2 or 170/5+153 x2 diagrams will be directly replaced by 196/1s and especially the 170/5+170/6 diagram which is a 5-coach Birmingham-Hereford Diagram will be upgraded to 6-coaches once Class 196 started service.....
Also I think SHL will also receive extra capacity once 196s started service.....
Also I think SHL will also receive extra capacity once 196s started service.....
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Correct, same lump as the 195s going by this article. https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/new-british-fleets-undergo-testing-in-velim/
Some form of De-Nox has to be to meet latest requirements (as well as a particulate filter). The press release put out by RR for the Cl.195 contract says that SCR is used there, so would logically also be used for these. I don't think the other type of de-nox treatment (Lean NOx trap) has been used on the railway, and everyone has settled on SCR as a de-facto standard.
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Yep
- didn't think to check although I did have 'class 196 diesel engines' in my google search history.SCR is rather useful, especially to trains that will use Birmingham New Street every day!
Indeed - it'll reduce the amount of NOx in the air, although the improvement from going from 170s to 196s is barely a drop in the ocean against the voyagers!
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Other than the lack of armrests it looks good. Definitely a kick in the proverbials to Northern for can't ("can't be bothered paying to") align seats to windows - that looks 100% to me?
As a northerner that's obviously a picture of two DMU sets together....
They look good, suprising lack of armrests considering it looks like a narrow armrest could fit.
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Yes, they do seem to have done what Merseyrail did, namely to go for a spacing that would allow for armrests but not actually fit any.