Woman sexually assaulted on Highland Chieftain

[Greenback]

I've said what I wanted to say. I think we should leave it there!

 

[najaB]

Again no need to be patronising; I can express opinions without evidence and if that irks/bothers people they can challenge me without further need to be priggish.

I've always been taught to challenge the evidence, not the man. Oh, wait, you don't have any.

So it's probably best to ignore you. It really is that simple, Badger89

 

[Antman]

It's my fault as I started the thread, wish I hadn't, at the end of the day this is some bloke who as tried raping this poor women, he needs to be cought as the next step with a pervert is far serious.

Did he? Did you witness what happened? If not you really are jumping to ridiculous conclusions

 

[jon0844]

There's several pieces of CCTV footage that show what has become known as the "bystander effect".

One particular that I recall is a shop that has been set on fire due to arson, the customers just stand in the queue doing nothing while the place fills with smoke and fire. Once one person decides to say something, the others do too.

It's also called social conformity.

I was in a McDonald's which had a small fire starting behind the fries.. and nobody did anything even though it was clear the fire wasn't going to put itself out (it was at the back, visible at floor level). Staff just looked on, and it was myself that said it was probably a good idea to get people out. They ignored me, until the fire started to get worse and became visible as it started to rise up the back wall - and only then someone decided it was time to go.

It was quite amazing that because staff did nothing (certainly nobody tried to put it out), everyone in the restaurant was happy to stand and continue waiting for their food (or eating their food at their tables).

The fire brigade turned up and got everyone out and away from the building, without messing around.

I'd say that's a good example of the bystander effect.

To this day I am amazed that staff did so little (perhaps having insufficient training - but I suspect a few words were said by the firemen) but not that people acted like sheep and didn't want to be the first person to get up and leave.

 

[47271]

Just for clarity,
If you read the reports... he did no more than glance in their direction, he did not intervene.

BRblue is quite right and apologies for providing a misleading earlier post on the subject of the terrible Oxenholme case. I HAD read one report of many found online, but it was an inaccurate one in the Mail...

 

[Master29]

presumably they also reject the existence of HSTs.

Really. I thought it odd Class 50`s and 52`s had got faster with one each end and had at least 2 re engining makeovers on the Great Western this last 35 odd years.

 

[w0033944]

There's several pieces of CCTV footage that show what has become known as the "bystander effect".

One particular that I recall is a shop that has been set on fire due to arson, the customers just stand in the queue doing nothing while the place fills with smoke and fire. Once one person decides to say something, the others do too.

It's also called social conformity.

I recall seeing the same footage. It was the first time I heard of 'bystander effect' and I was stunned.

 

[pemma]

It's also called social conformity.

It's not the same though as social conformity includes not doing something you wouldn't normally do because most other people are doing it. For instance, standing with your back to the doors in a lift because everyone else is doing it: http://abcnews.go.com/WhatWouldYouDo/video/fall-elevator-19922451

Not sure how this relates to trains or railways anymore.

 

[TorqueOfTheDevil]

I used to witness people crowding around whilst crimes were committed and their reasons were different for not intervening

How do you know? Did you interview all of them?

Back on topic, we will need to wait until more information is released before jumping to conclusions as to why noone helped the poor victim. Possible options:

- The assaults were carried out where noone else could see (vestibule, toilet?)
- Some people could have seen the assaults but were asleep/head down over iPad/admiring the scenery outside
- Some people did see the assaults but mistook what was happening for an amorous couple
- Some people saw and were aware of exactly what was happening but chose not to intervene as per our beloved Bystander Effect.

Personally I fear the latter is most likely but that is only my opinion.

 

[najaB]

Back on topic, we will need to wait until more information is released before jumping to conclusions as to why noone helped the poor victim. Possible options:

- The assaults were carried out where noone else could see (vestibule, toilet?)
- Some people could have seen the assaults but were asleep/head down over iPad/admiring the scenery outside
- Some people did see the assaults but mistook what was happening for an amorous couple
- Some people saw and were aware of exactly what was happening but chose not to intervene as per our beloved Bystander Effect.

Personally I fear the latter is most likely but that is only my opinion.

I suspect a mix of the latter two.

 

[455driver]

It's my fault as I started the thread, wish I hadn't, at the end of the day this is some bloke who as tried raping this poor women, he needs to be cought as the next step with a pervert is far serious.

So its an attempted rape is it?
I thought it was a sexual assault which can be just touching somebody inappropriately by 'accidently' brushing against them, not that I am trying to excuse what this man has done, but trying to keep things in perspectve!

 

[bnm]

Yes I'm sorry this thread has gone off topic.

If you'd bowed out when you said you would then there would have been a chance for the thread to get back on topic.

For the record your opinion on 'litigation fear' counts for nothing without the same standard of empirical evidence as that available for the 'bystander effect'.

 

[plymothian]

Not really wanting to resurrect the bystander effect debate by I found the footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyP6RCfVCjI