Didn't they tarmac it a few years ago? I don't think Worcester is incredibly hilly. It's more that the town centre is at the very bottom with hills in every direction. Bath Road and London Road are tolerable just because there's a break in the middle, but my memory of Tolladine Road and Newtown Road is that they are constantly upward for flipping ages.
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Nope. Worcester has plenty of roads. It just needs to use them better.
Here's what happens if you provide infrastructure to allow people to travel safely along roads by bike and foot:
That's Amsterdam. 70% of all trips under 5km are made by foot, bike or public transport. For shorter distances it's greater still.
Worcester is only 5km radius at its greatest point (city centre to Warndon). It's a small city. If Worcester's roads were remotely bike-friendly then there need be no issue with congestion at all. Unfortunately, as tends to be the way when the highways authority is a Tory shire council, this isn't the case; there isn't even a safe way to cycle north-south across the city centre between the riverside path and the canal towpath. Such a missed opportunity.
(And since this thread seems to require parading Worcester bona fides, we moor our narrowboat in the city, at Diglis Basin; visit regularly, and have done so for 20 years.)
One of my main problems with the Parkway station is the unsustainable 97% modal share for private car / taxi and the fact no housing is going around it will only result in more and more car journeys and more and more car parking to serve it.
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So your argument isn't actually about the station at all, but the fact that people will be using cars to get to Parkway, or in fact any station. People want to do that because they have luggage, or infirmaties, or because they want to get there when public transport isn't available, or because public transport doesn't provide suitable access, or even because they want to!
Try getting a bus to Shrub Hill Station from Bamburgh Cres with 2 suitcases with ease; you can't!
See my response about the use of cars in Worcester in post #324.
Try getting a bus to Shrub Hill Station from Bamburgh Cres with 2 suitcases with ease; you can't!
See my response about the use of cars in Worcester in post #324.
Yes parkway stations do involve car journeys, but without them people might drive the whole way rather than take a train at all. For places like Okehampton they would make a lot of sense, gathering custom from the surrounding countryside
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Parkway stations are of value if lots of trains call at them, this one will see two thirds of the XC stuff passing through at speed, GW south west stuff bypassing and WMT going nowhere near it.
Llanigraham
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At the present moment people are driving AWAY from Worcester to catch trains, such as to Pershore and even Warwick, or even not bothering to think about using the train at all. This station will keep those people on trains and in the locale.
Llanigraham
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Only at the moment!
Do you know what the timetables are going to be next year?
I think people in and around Worcester who would like to have a station where they have a decent shot at getting a parking space will probably find that the Parkway is of value. Or would you prefer that they carry on driving all the way to another Parkway - Warwick - to get a train? Something that a number of people from the Worcester area certainly do at the moment.
The GWR Gloucester services aren't going to 'bypass' the station. are they? That word would suggest there was some alternative route to the Norton to Abbotswood curve they could take that would allow them to call at the Parkway. but as you know, there isn't.
The GWR Gloucester services aren't going to 'bypass' the station. are they? That word would suggest there was some alternative route to the Norton to Abbotswood curve they could take that would allow them to call at the Parkway. but as you know, there isn't.
Your post about lack of parking at Shrub Hill sums up a lot of what I have been saying. When I suggest more parking there, I get the usual suspects saying that is impossible because there aren't the roads supporting it.
There were lots of calls in those articles for the missing ring road and more I have read in articles about the current dualling scheme if you wanted to read them.
I am an advocate of integrated transport. This Parkway station with its 97% private car use is disintegrated transport at its worst. To make any useful contribution it will need acres of tarmac and yet more car journeys.
Llanigraham
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And still you aren't listening to people who know Worcester! How about actually answering the questions put to you about these problems? And please, answer them in detail, and without the platitudes.
Exactly where are you going to fit parking in at Shrub Hill?
Do you propose to demolish Listed buildings?
Where do you propose the businesses in those buildings and in the area move to?
Who is going to compensate those businesses for that move?
How do you propose to improve Tolladine Rd, Sheffif St, and Newtown Rd without major disruption to those roads, and in relation to Newtown Rd to the railway above?
How do you propose to improve the access via City Walls Rd and Tallow Hill, when it is known that City Walls Rd already suffers from severe congestion?
How do you propose to improve access through the residential area of Wylds Lane?
Are you saying that my family member and friends that live in Worcester do not understand the problems that your proposals would cause?
Do you recognise that many of us here know Worcester far better than you do?
What articles about the Northern "relief" road? So far you have provided 2, one of which was out of date and the other irrelevant. I await a link to further articles, please?
Has Worcestershire CC ever done a projection on this?
The current road works for dualling are NOT to the north, but to the south and south west, and will provide better access to the Parkway station.
And I will ask again, do you actually know anything about Worcester other than from maps and articles?
These people might have used the car for the whole of their journey but now are trying train.
kje7812
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As mentioned elsewhere, RTT has the May timetable for Worcestershire Parkway:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/WOP/2019/05/20/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/WOP/2019/05/20/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
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Looks like unbalanced calls by XC. More services Cardiff bound than Birmingham bound by the looks of it.
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Those aren’t passenger calls, they are non stop, shown by Worcestershire Parkway being in the light text.
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Not every hour could work which is why it looks odd.
Passes are where the station is in light text AND grey.
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Will reduce the viability of the station to start with. Hopefully this can be improved upon going forward.
I'm curious, are you able to elaborate at all why this is? Given every service I can think so north of Worcs Parkway has at least an hourly frequency, I'm struggling to come up with a reason - freight paths perhaps?
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Don't know the details, but I would suspect that adding time in the northbound trains causes issues with the Cross City trains at Bromsgrove in some hours.
How do we interpret this one then, link follows:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P38203/2019/05/20/advanced
It shews it stopping for a minute. However not bold.
I would have reasonable confidence in suggesting that it means that it would be a passenger call.
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Looks like an op stop, so its surpressed from being a public stop and allows it to ignore it if the station isnt opened on time. Just needs a few clicks to change it into a full stop without having to retime anything.
Although work is progressing at a fair rate of knots, I'd be surprised if it is ready to open for the May timetable change as there remains much to do. I expect there will be the usual problems getting through the red tape in time, even if the station buildings, platforms and other infrastructure are completed by then. My money would be on an opening sometime between then and the December timetable.
trash80
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Passed the station last week, i'd be surprised if it was 2019.
Thanks. Incidentally, I didn't know GWR would be running a class 158 through to Stansted Airport from the May timetable?
It certainly made me think of how many more journey opportunities there will be from this new station, if XC stopped ignoring Worcester. Also, if XC started calling there on NW /SE services, one could go from Evesham to Edinburgh with one change!
ac6000cw
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GWR are not - it's XC, so will almost certainly be a 170 (the class 158 is just the 'timing load' for the path) - see http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P38203/2019/05/20/advanced
pdeaves
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GWR does run (sort of) to Stansted Airport. See http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...19/01/17/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
(Obviously not from Worcestershire Parkway!)
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