Wrexham redouble

Discussion in 'Infrastructure & Stations' started by merlodlliw, 2 Oct 2013.

  1. 70014IronDuke

    70014IronDuke Established Member

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    Oh dear. Could this be yet another "Politician intentionally misusing statistics to boost his case and, in this instance, foment nationalist resentment" shock?

    Transport Secretary Ken Skates is quoted as saying - I suspect from press release (so no question of mis-quote):
    "This is yet another great example of the steps we are taking a (sic) responsible government and again highlights the historic underfunding by the UK Government in our rail network who have spent just 1.5 per cent of their rail infrastructure budget in Wales, despite it accounting for 11 per cent of the track in England and Wales, since 2011."

    11 percent of track? Really?

    It may, I suppose, represent 11% of route miles (can anyone confirm that at least that is true?) - but 11% of "track" - meaning track miles? I somehow doubt that very much.

    And even if it did, does Mr Skates really think any sane human being would argue that the Heart of Wales line (about 90 miles, at its core) should warrant the same investment spending as, say, the 82 miles Euston - Rugby?

    EDIT - Just to add, I'm pleased this is going ahead for the sake of Wrexham passengers
     
  2. snowball

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    Indeed the press release is here:
    https://gov.wales/newsroom/transpor...rail-projects-in-wrexham/?status=open&lang=en

     
  3. Gareth Marston

    Gareth Marston Established Member

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    All part of the tiresome Carwynite give us more £ gives us more powers agenda.

    The Wales Route incl mileage in England is about 11% of route miles.
     
  4. Gareth Marston

    Gareth Marston Established Member

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    craigybagel Established Member

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    Indeed, that was confusing me too. I can't see how remodeling the junction itself will save much time as everything stops at Wrexham anyway - and it's hard to see big of an improvement over the current 60 MPH limit on the rest of the single track section you'll get for 500k given the curvy and hilly nature of that line.
     
  6. furnessvale

    furnessvale Established Member

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    Sounds more like 500k on reports etc than any actual spades in the ground!
     
  7. Gareth Marston

    Gareth Marston Established Member

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    Perhaps there large billboards with pictures of Ken Skates on it saying "world class" - train drivers will set the throttle to 11 to get away thereby speeding up services:p
     
  8. Ships

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    £500k will get you half a unit of S&C or 500 yards of plain line renewal at a push, you're not going to be getting much there.
     
  9. driver_m

    driver_m Established Member

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    What would they actually want to do to Wrexham North Jn? Other than make the single line a lot shorter by moving it towards Gresford Bank, then what big difference would there be round there?
     
  10. LNW-GW Joint

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    The original proposal was for a further redoubling of the 2-mile section between the A483 overbridge at Gresford and Wrexham North Jn.
    This would leave the 2 miles Rossett-Gresford as single track (includes the A483 bridge, which was only built for single track).
    I don't know if there were planned improvements at Wrexham General - it really needs access to P2/3 from the north (or at least reversing facilities in P1), to avoid the shunt via Watery Road loop.
    I suppose if the extra trains (eg ex-Liverpool) run through to Shrewsbury this might not be needed.
    There was also talk of a "Wrexham North" station, but I think that would be a poor idea, slowing down through services even further.
    I guess the £500K is to take this or another scheme to GRIP3.
    The job itself sounds like a £20m affair (the recent phase Saltney-Rossett cost at least £45m), depending on what signalling upgrades are necessary at Croesnewydd North Fork box.
    Or maybe NR will take the opportunity to move it all to Cardiff ROC, like the recent Connah's Quay-Colwyn Bay resignalling.
     
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