WYPTE metro dayrover (train & bus)

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ITSO-standard smart card system will not offer speedy boarding on buses, compared to Oyster, if the performance of concessionary travel cards is anything to go by.

Certainly not if they still require a ticket to be printed out as the ones in West Yorkshire seem to. The introduction of Smart Card readers on Transdev Keighley has significantly slowed the boarding of pass holders.

Silly, I know but I assumed they'd stop printing the tickets once they went to an electronic system.
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Most interesting, thanks. So is the touch-out done on the same machine, or does the bus have an 'exit' ITSO pad aswell?

Trentbarton have an additional pad for touching out near the door. If you don't touch out it asumes you got off at the end of the route. It has a £5 off-peak cap (after 9am) and a £10 peak cap (if you spend less than £5 on bus travel it will charge pre 9am + £5 off-peak cap).

Not sure when the cap runs to - I paid a fare of £3.50 for a fairly short night bus run this weekend at about 2am (not on mango) which would have been £1.70 during the day. Bargain if that's included on your cap.
 
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Certainly not if they still require a ticket to be printed out as the ones in West Yorkshire seem to. The introduction of Smart Card readers on Transdev Keighley has significantly slowed the boarding of pass holders.

Silly, I know but I assumed they'd stop printing the tickets once they went to an electronic system.

As did I. This is an operator setting I believe. Some felt that people would be more 'comfortable' getting a ticket.

Except that WYPTE instructs that blind people are _not_ to be given tickets.
 

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Certainly not if they still require a ticket to be printed out as the ones in West Yorkshire seem to. The introduction of Smart Card readers on Transdev Keighley has significantly slowed the boarding of pass holders.

Silly, I know but I assumed they'd stop printing the tickets once they went to an electronic system.

Same applies in South Yorkshire. Before 'Smart' readers people just showed the pass, the driver pressed a counting button, the passsenger went and sat down. Now, after usually two attempts to get the card read, a ticket is issued, the passenger fumbles to put it their purse/pocket, a queue builds up.
 

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Same applies in South Yorkshire. Before 'Smart' readers people just showed the pass, the driver pressed a counting button, the passsenger went and sat down. Now, after usually two attempts to get the card read, a ticket is issued, the passenger fumbles to put it their purse/pocket, a queue builds up.

First SY (in Doncaster, at least) do NOT issue tickets if the ticket machine 'reads' the Pass. Only if the reader doesn't work (I.e. it is faulty) does the driver revert to the previous method - view, press button, issue no fare ticket.

However pass recognition by the machine is fairly slow, though about the same as Lothian Buses pass readers.

Nothing quicker than driver, however. That doesn't mean he "reads" the pass (photo, date, etc) though.
 

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Nothing quicker than driver, however. That doesn't mean he "reads" the pass (photo, date, etc) though.

Nothing quicker than the driver issuing a zero-fare ticket on Wayfarer III's.

The new Almex or Wayfarer thermo printing machines are a pain at times.
 

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Observing many buses up here the 'counting button' method never worked properly, as the drivers didn't care how many times they pressed it. Although I don't think it would be possible to defraud PTEs/Local Authorities in this way, it does artificially inflate/reduce actual passenger numbers on the routes.
 

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Observing many buses up here the 'counting button' method never worked properly, as the drivers didn't care how many times they pressed it. Although I don't think it would be possible to defraud PTEs/Local Authorities in this way, it does artificially inflate/reduce actual passenger numbers on the routes.

There was a court case or something where a driver was accused of falsifying concessionary records - glasgow rings a bell but I don't recall anything more, including the result. Anyone?
 
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There was a court case or something where a driver was accused of falsifying concessionary records - glasgow rings a bell but I don't recall anything more, including the result. Anyone?

I remember it coming up at PM questions when Gordon Brown was PM, cant remember where the MP who brought it up was based though. I thought it was a company rather than one driver been accused, but could be wrong
 

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There was a court case or something where a driver was accused of falsifying concessionary records - glasgow rings a bell but I don't recall anything more, including the result. Anyone?

I haven't heard of that, but will try and find out more.

From what I've heard/read/been told over the years (although no-one has yet come to a definitive conclusion), the bus operators are paid a certain set amount, but are not paid on a per person basis for the concessionary pass (which means that a driver could keep pressing the button but the company wouldn't receive any more money). The only thing it does is alter the actual patronage data, which hopefully should be done away with by the use of the smartcard versions.

However it does little to deter pass users from getting on and travelling one or two stops, when before they would have walked.
 

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From what I've heard/read/been told over the years (although no-one has yet come to a definitive conclusion), the bus operators are paid a certain set amount, but are not paid on a per person basis for the concessionary pass (which means that a driver could keep pressing the button but the company wouldn't receive any more money). The only thing it does is alter the actual patronage data, which hopefully should be done away with by the use of the smartcard versions.

This may be the case in PTE areas, but I think outside PTE areas the finances and accounting regarding concessionary passes is different. I have an acquaintance who is a bus driver for a small family firm and not in a PTE area. He reports that his company are forever having trouble extracting money from the local council who are, apparently, always questioning the data from the company.
 

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From what I've heard/read/been told over the years (although no-one has yet come to a definitive conclusion), the bus operators are paid a certain set amount, but are not paid on a per person basis for the concessionary pass (which means that a driver could keep pressing the button but the company wouldn't receive any more money).

Understand it varies by area. In WY for example it is based upon their surveys, and based on the average fare from their stop - this however is due to change at some point in the future to reflect actual smartcard touches.
 

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Hay all digging this thread up rather than starting another as remembered seeing it lately - what are the boundry stations/stops on the rail and bus ticket and whats cheepest version for 2 adults? Finally can a railcard be applied if bought at a tiket office?
 
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Hay all digging this thread up rather than starting another as remembered seeing it lately - what are the boundry stations/stops on the rail and bus ticket and whats cheepest version for 2 adults? Finally can a railcard be applied if bought at a tiket office?

You can buy a family dayrover for £10.30 which is bus and train and is fine for 2 adults, you dont have to have kids travelling with you, no railcard discounts as it is a WY metro product. As far as im aware West Yorkshire is the boundary so Marsden, Walsden, Steeton and Silsdon, Knottingley, Micklefield, Ilkley, South Emsall, Denby Dale, Horsforth, Moorthorpe, Wetherby (bus), Hemsworth (bus)
 

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Thanks gents

Blindtraveller, if you happen to live inside West Yorks your username suggests you may be eligible for a blind ENCTS pass which gives free travel on trains and buses within west yorkshire at all times (and on buses crossing the boundary after 09:30.

If you have such a pass from another area please advise which area (regardless, you'll get free bus travel from at least 09:30, possibly 24 hours).
 

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You can buy a family dayrover for £10.30 which is bus and train and is fine for 2 adults, you dont have to have kids travelling with you, no railcard discounts as it is a WY metro product. As far as im aware West Yorkshire is the boundary so Marsden, Walsden, Steeton and Silsdon, Knottingley, Micklefield, Ilkley, South Emsall, Denby Dale, Horsforth, Moorthorpe, Wetherby (bus), Hemsworth (bus)

Darton. You mustn't forget Darton! :(
 
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