XC HST diagrams

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  1. sufian123

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    Cool. Thanks for the update.
     
  2. SC43090

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    XC services Diverted between Cheltenham Spa & Bristol TM via Kemble, Stroud, Swindon, Bath Spa..... As i understand the following should be HST operated..... The only difference will be on day failures or infrastructure failures like signal failures or points failures or over head wires coming down etc etc......

    Monday 29th October to Friday 16th November 2018

    1V44 0611 Leeds Exeter ST Davids
    1S51 1224 Exeter ST Davids Glasgow

    1V46 0645 York Plymouth
    1E61 1425 Plymouth Leeds

    1V50 0606 Edinburgh Plymouth
    1E73 1625 Plymouth Leeds

    The following Fridays 2nd / 9th / 16th November 2018

    1V64 1307 Edinburgh Plymouth


    Saturdays 27th October to 1st December

    1V44 0611 Leeds Plymouth
    1S55 1325 Plymouth Edinburgh

    1V50 0606 Edinburgh Plymouth
    1E73 1625 Plymouth Leeds

    Sunday 14th October,, Then Sundays 28th October to Sunday 2nd December 2018..... With the exception of Sunday 11th November 2018 when a couple of turns do something different.....

    1V48 0810 Leeds Plymouth
    1E67 1524 Plymouth Leeds

    1V50 0900 Leeds Plymouth
    1E73 1625 Plymouth Leeds

    1S53 1224 Plymouth Edinburgh


    Sunday 11th November 2018 only

    1V48 0810 Leeds Bristol Parkway
    1S47 1247 Bristol Parkway Edinburgh


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  3. 43055

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    Cross Country Journey check shows the 18:31 Birmingham New Street to Manchester and 20:05 return as HST's. The set is coming off the 14:23 from Exeter to Edinburgh at Birmingham and then later picking up the 22:03 from Birmingham to Leeds.
     
  4. sufian123

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    It has pc 43285 43378.
     
  5. PHILIPE

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    XC disrupted today due to sinkhole at Teignmouth and turning back at Eeter
     
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    Sorry here but as lucky as it is for an HST to run to Manchester a 4th time, it would've been a far more sensible idea to use it on what was a longer trip and would've probably very packed 18:03 from Birmingham New Street to Edinburgh! I'd have thought the 22:03 from Birmingham New Street to Leeds would be fine for a 4-car Voyager if need be.

    If the 18:03 was an HST then nothing to think about in this case.
     
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    It’s needed in Leeds for tomorrow. Otherwise there be no hsts in the morning. Due to diversions via Swindon and bath 1803 is not a HST. 1703 was meant to be but that hst broke down the other day.
     
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    Some alterations today with 1C09/1S47/1C99 HST Vice Voyager

    1V46/1S53 Voyager vice HST

    Oh and XC03 is out to play today on 1V50/1E63
     
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    XC03 as done what 221129 said observed at Sheffield 1V50 0606 Edinburgh Plymouth
    43304 41195 45003 42370 42378 42036 42371 44052 43357
     
  10. Mitchell Hurd

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    It must be the first time I've read 3 Voyager vice HST's - a situation where you can say 3 Voyagers have been replaced with a smile. That's one positive side of a sink hole !
     
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    What are you on about? It was only 1 Voyager replaced by a HST and one HST was replaced with a Voyager so no real gain.
     
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    I have no idea what this means to be honest! Perhaps you could clarify?
     
  13. Mitchell Hurd

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    No worries . Basically, all because of a sink hole, it has meant passengers on XC routes who were possibly expecting a Voyager today have had a Voyager replaced with a service with a smile.
     
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    They were lucky because HST couldn’t get back from Plymouth on Sunday. But that hst couldn’t get to Glasgow sadly as planned.
     
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    HST on 1S47 originally set off a wheelflat detector and was heavily delayed at Bristol being examined. It then set off another one later on and thus was pulled out of service failed at Newcastle.
     
  16. sufian123

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    Explains it. I saw it depart new st at 1435ish.
     
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    According to CrossCountry Journey Check, the HST working 1V54 06:32 Dundee - Plymouth has developed a fault and will be terminated at Newton Abbot. Does anyone know if this is the same set that's been taken out of service at Bromsgrove recently?
     
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    No it wasn't. It's being turned at Newton Abbot due to late running.
     
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    Thank you for the clarification @221129
     
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    Really that's selfish of XC turning it round at Newton Abbot for 2 reasons...
    1. Last train from Plymouth and Totnes to between Birmingham New Street and Leeds therefore cancelled.
    2. Arriving at Plymouth around 17:40 would have meant they could leave at a not bad 6pm or something - therefore they couldn't be bothered to run it 2 extra stops.
    3. The 18:25 from Plymouth to Birmingham I guess is a 4-car Voyager, so cancelling a 7-car train to avoid a further delay is just ridiculous, losing too many seats in the process.

    I believe this was basically reported full and standing from Taunton. Those HST's must be loved by passengers!
     
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    It's nothing new XC do it quiet a bit at Newton Abbott...... Also EMT do it as well if a Liverpool Lime Street---Norwich--- Liverpool Lime Street service is running quiet late it will go roung Dore curve & miss out Sheffield..... Train companies that don't give to figs for its passengers....

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    Any passengers without specific train tickets who are travelling to stations to Exeter could travel on the 17:35 service to Exeter St Davids which is formed of 4 coaches, but as you mention the situation is far from ideal for passengers travelling beyond Derby.
     
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    Depends which passengers they should give most figs about - it's a balancing act. Running through with a huge delay will impact as many if not more people further down.
     
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    Make a 35 late start from Plymouth and you're stuffed - a guaranteed missed path after getting through Bristol and Birmingham.

    How many passengers from Plymouth and Totnes are going beyond Birmingham? And how does that compare with the volume of passengers further north?

    How is the 1825 from Plymouth reported "full and standing" from Taunton when it hasn't yet left Plymouth.

    It isn't perfect, and decisions like this aren't taken lightly, but starting 1E73 1725 from Plymouth at Newton Abbot right time is absolutely the correct thing to do. You have to look at the whole rather than just the part.
     
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    You are quite frankly talking nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
  26. sufian123

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    Hi

    Think about the delays it will have if it left Plymouth late? especially at peak times it would’ve lost more time. They rather depart on time then later. They might’ve made arrangement with gwr to bring passengers down from Plymouth to join the train at Newton Abbott.
     
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    Hi
    Does anyone know what services XC03 is on this week? I would like to have a look at the set at some point if possible.

    Thank you
     
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    It’s currently doing 1225 Plymouth to 2225 arrival into Glasgow Central. Tommrow diagram be set at after 0200am in the morning.
     
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    Thank you. Hopefully ill get it on Wednesday if it is out on the 0606 from Edinburgh tomorrow.
     
  30. sufian123

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    Tommrow if it’s out then it’ll do 0606 Edinburgh-Plymouth and Wednesday 0611 Leeds ply and 1225 ply-Glasgow.
     

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