XC services allocated for Double Voyagers

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  1. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Does anyone know which trains are diagrammed for 2 x Voyagers on the XC network?

    Of course it makes sense to take the HSTs, for which we publish the diagrams in the Frequently Requested Diagrams thread, but sometimes the times of these don't suit, and it's worth knowing which trains are less likely to have sardine can line conditions ;)

    Many thanks in advance :)
     
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  3. DarloRich

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    it would be great - i could avoid them ;)

    ( it would be useful to know as it increases the chance of a seat - although it is frustrating to see a double up arrive with the back set locked out of use!)
     
  4. Clansman

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    The 13.07 from Edinburgh to Plymouth is a guarantee for a pair, except on a Friday where it used to be an HST. Made the mistake one too many times of gunning for it before the summer timetable on another day and expecting a HST, despite it being timed for one.

    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P31992/2017/06/22/advanced
     
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  6. sufian123

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    Hi

    Monday-Thursday

    0703 Birmingham-Edinburgh
    1307 Edinburgh-Plymouth (train splits at Gloucester)
    1125 Plymouth-Dundee (couples at Bristol, and splits at (Newcastle)

    Fridays

    07:31 Birmingham-Manchester via Stoke
    09:27 Manchester-Bournemouth
    1445 Bournemouth-Manchester
    2007 Manchester to Birmingham.
    Same as above.
    Note 1307 Edinburgh to ply is not a HST anymore over the summer period.
     
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    It reverts to HST operation on Fridays from 15th September.
     
  8. louis97

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    Monday:
    0703 Birmingham-Edinburgh
    1307 Edinburgh-Plymouth (only until Gloucester)
    1125 Plymouth-Dundee (only from Bristol at 1330)

    Tuesday-Thursday
    0703 Birmingham-Edinburgh
    1307 Edinburgh-Plymouth (only until Gloucester)
    1125 Plymouth-Dundee (only from Bristol at 1330 to Newcastle)

    Fridays:

    0703 Birmingham-Edinburgh (until 8th September only)
    1307 Edinburgh-Plymouth (until 8th September only, HST again after this)
    0632 Dundee-Plymouth
    0731 Birmingham-Manchester
    0927 Manchester-Bournemouth
    1445 Bournemouth-Manchester
    2007 Manchester to Birmingham
    1408 Edinburgh to Plymouth (from 15th September, only until Bristol)

    Saturdays:

    Until 9th September:

    0608 Edinburgh-Plymouth
    1525 Plymouth-Leeds (only from Plymouth to Birmingham)
    0935 Newquay-Dundee (only from Plymouth at 1125 to Newcastle)
    1811 Paignton-Birmingham (only from Bristol at 2000)

    From 16th September

    1125 Plymouth-Dundee (only from Bristol at 1330 to Newcastle)

    Sundays:

    Until 10th September:

    1530 Penzance-Leeds (only from Plymouth at 1725 to Birmingham)
    1132 Newquay-Edinburgh (only from Plymouth at 1325)

    From 17th September:

    1225 Plymouth-Glasgow
    1530 Penzance-Leeds (only from Plymouth at 1725 to Birmingham)

    Tuesday to Saturday the 1935 Newcastle to Birmingham is booked a pair of 220s, however only the front set is in use. Similar arrangements also apply with the 2200/2210 from Bristol to Birmingham during the week and on Sundays
     
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  9. DanTrainMan185

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    The split Voyager attaches to 1M76 which is the 1935 Newcastle to Birmingham (this one previously works 1V51 1007 Manchester to Bristol and is then the front of 1S49 from Bristol at 1330).

    The other unit which starts from Plymouth alone works through to Dundee upon splitting at Newcastle.

    A fair few services are doubles on a Sunday too. I believe there is a late afternoon Penzance to Leeds which is 220+220.
     
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    I don't think the 2000 from Bristol is a pair anymore. For a long while it has been a single unit. Apparently 1V64 splits at Gloucester now.
     
  11. louis97

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    Note that the 2000 is under the Saturday section, it being a double for the summer with the attachment coming off 1V63.
     
  12. Rich McLean

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    There are likely to be a few tweaks this weekend to the double diagrams due to HST availability and less spare Voyagers available.
     
  13. Kite159

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    I noted that tonight's 1O24 1527 Manchester Piccadilly to Bournemouth was formed of a double voyager. A one-off or has that service been doubled up recently?
     
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    Booked a double on a Sunday, the working which forms it from Birmingham is also a double set (1H41 13:31 Birmingham-Manchester)
     
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    You haven't developed a Voyager fetish or obsession have you? :lol:

    Someone on the team needs some therapy rather urgently if so!
     
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    Ah useful to note for future use when coming back from the West Midlands on a Sunday :)
     
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    Glasgow losing HST service after 17th September?
     
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    One thing that is worth noting from experience (be it 18 months ago) is that reservations may only be in one set (presumably because if it is short formed, there are no missing reservations). It was that 1V64 1307 Edinburgh to Plymouth that I travelled on and I travelled in the front set which was unreserved and had Gloucester on the front blind

    I do seem to recall the online seat booking thing on XC's site showing both sets, however
     
  19. louis97

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    Only on a Sunday, as detailed further up the thread. The 1225 Plymouth-Glasgow reverts to a double voyager.
     
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    I see , overlooked that .
     
  21. route101

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    Last week im sure i seen a Dundee bound double voyager at Waverley
     
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    The 1307 EDB-Plymouth was made up of a 4 and 5 car to make a 9 car train. Is this the normal state of affairs or did I see something rare?
     
  24. DanTrainMan185

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    No that is the norm.
     
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  27. Crossover

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    What I don't think it can be is 2 x 5 car 221 as I don't believe some of the platforms can accommodate more than 9 (Cheltenham Spa being one as I seem to recall there not being much platform to play with with the 9 car in it)
     
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    Ah, was reported as dividing at Newcastle. Could of been a last minute alteration, not booked.

    Cheltenham Spa can take 2x 5-car. Key Short platforms on the main line Edinburgh-Plymouth are Chesterfield, Burton-on-Trent and Totnes. Chesterfield is 8 on the down, 9X(precision stop) on the up. Burton-on-Trent is 9 both direction. Totnes is 8 both directions.

    Chester-le-Street, Teignmouth, Dawlish and Dawlish Warren are all also short platforms, 5X both direction, 8X on the up, 8 on the up and 5 both direction respectively.
     
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    Does anyone know what the 0608 Edinburgh to Plymouth on Saturdays is likely to be, 8 cars or 9?

    Is it likely to change for Bank Holiday weekend?
     
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    It is booked an 8 car. Don't think it is any different on 26th.

    1V50 (0608 Edinburgh-Plymouth) will be an HST on Saturdays from 2nd September.

    First two Saturdays are altered diagrams due to engineering works and it will run to Paignton.

    From the 16th September 1V50 and 1E63 (1525 Plymouth-York) are booked HST on Saturdays.
     
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    Caught the 1307 Edinburgh to Plymouth on Tuesday (220034+220013) and the formation went G - H - J - L - A - C - D - F. Front portion on arrival at Derby (being 220034) still had Plymouth on the front.
     

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