Yellow door warning stickers on TPE's fleet

[Bletchleyite]

He completely balled up the despatch proceedure.

Oops. Imagine he will be in a fair bit of trouble. Oh well, thanks for the explanation.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

He was dismissed. Wether he still faces prosecution or not still hasnt been determined.

 

[40129]

Question: Why is it that only trains and not buses and coaches that have to have doors of contrasting colors to aid the visually impaired?

I seem to remember that during the 1980s many LT buses had yellow entrance doors which gave a clear contrast with the red of the rest of the bus. However, despite all the acessability improvements, the doors are now the same color as the rest of the bus.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Might be less of an issue with buses because there's always one at the front these days? They also tend to be mostly glass so nothing to paint.

 

[edwin_m]

With buses and coaches passengers usually board next to the driver, who can see if there is someone struggling to locate the door.

 

[WillPS]

Question: Why is it that only trains and not buses and coaches that have to have doors of contrasting colors to aid the visually impaired?

I seem to remember that during the 1980s many LT buses had yellow entrance doors which gave a clear contrast with the red of the rest of the bus. However, despite all the acessability improvements, the doors are now the same color as the rest of the bus.

The yellow door thing actually began when LT trialled Automated Fare Collection:
http://www.yellins.co.uk/transporthistory/bus6/afc.html

 

[Alan White]

He was dismissed. Wether he still faces prosecution or not still hasnt been determined.

That's unfortunate. Regardless of whether the guard was partly to blame for allegedly not following procedure, I'm not in favour of an individual being made the scapegoat for incidents like this which clearly have underlying causes for which no-one will be made accountable.

If the doors remained open until the train was ready to depart, if the doors opened automatically when they sensed an obstruction, if the train couldn't depart when the doors were obstructed, then this incident would not have occurred and a guard would still have his job.

 

[gordonthemoron]

they should have signs like this

 

[CC 72100]

There's a few a different versions of that sign, other ones said "Beware of trapping your hands in the doors because they might get smashed"

 

[najaB]

If the doors remained open until the train was ready to depart, if the doors opened automatically when they sensed an obstruction, if the train couldn't depart when the doors were obstructed, then this incident would not have occurred and a guard would still have his job.

I agree that any of these factors would have prevented the incident, however the driver wouldn't have taken power if he hadn't been given the 'Go' by the guard. Unless you can show a deficiency in the dispatch procedure, then the guard has to take ultimate responsibility for what happened.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I agree that any of these factors would have prevented the incident, however the driver wouldn't have taken power if he hadn't been given the 'Go' by the guard. Unless you can show a deficiency in the dispatch procedure, then the guard has to take ultimate responsibility for what happened.

And it seems from postings above he has been dismissed (and there appears to be no strike challenging it), so it would appear the blame was placed there, though quite rightly other avenues to reduce the issue have been explored - i.e. the stickers.

 

[MCR247]

If the doors remained open until the train was ready to depart, if the doors opened automatically when they sensed an obstruction, if the train couldn't depart when the doors were obstructed, then this incident would not have occurred and a guard would still have his job.

Why on earth would you want all doors open until the train is leaving? Do you not like air con/heating on your trains?

 

[DownSouth]

And it seems from postings above he has been dismissed (and there appears to be no strike challenging it), so it would appear the blame was placed there, though quite rightly other avenues to reduce the issue have been explored - i.e. the stickers.

Is there any evidence to suggest that the stickers are a reaction to that incident and not simply an adoption of best practice for increasing accessibility to people with impaired vision?

 

[cjmillsnun]

Is there any evidence to suggest that the stickers are a reaction to that incident and not simply an adoption of best practice for increasing accessibility to people with impaired vision?

The RAIB has made six recommendations. One of these is for operators of trains
with this door design to assess the risk of injuries and fatalities due to trapping and
dragging incidents and take the appropriate action to mitigate the risk.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...data/file/410616/140918_R192014_Newcastle.pdf

Interestingly SWT/LM have not done so so far.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

And it seems from postings above he has been dismissed (and there appears to be no strike challenging it), so it would appear the blame was placed there, though quite rightly other avenues to reduce the issue have been explored - i.e. the stickers.

He didnt report it either, TPE were unaware until RAIB got involved. Union couldnt defend the obvious gross negligence on this occasion.

 

[cjmillsnun]

He didnt report it either, TPE were unaware until RAIB got involved. Union couldnt defend the obvious gross negligence on this occasion.

TPE informed RAIB, unless RAIB covered that up.

TPE found out because of a customer complaint apparently.

First TransPennine Express became aware of the accident, but not its full details, because one of the passengers on the train sent a customer complaint to the First Group customer relations centre on 6 or 7 June. The RAIB were informed of this accident on 3 July 2013 by FTPE. The reasons for the delay in reporting are discussed in the observations section of the report (paragraph 125).