York-London Sun 12/7

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  1. theageofthetra

    theageofthetra Established Member

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    Are there potential engineering works on that day? My mate needs a single back after the John Smiths cup races on Sat and says he can't see anything less than £51?
     
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    Cheaper tickets for that date aren't on sale yet. Tell him to try again on Friday.
     
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    If you can't get an advance, GC walk up tickets are usually much cheaper than EC.
     
  4. ainsworth74

    ainsworth74 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Not so much any more. If you're travelling on a weekend unless you really want to save I wouldn't suggest buying a GC Only ticket. Their Off-Peak Return (SVR) from York to London is £94.10 whilst the Any Permitted Super Off-Peak Return (SSR) is £103.30. At a weekend if you pay £9 more you can travel on any train (including the GC services) between York and London.

    Even on a weekday I'm not sure it's as good as once it was. The Any Permitted SSR is valid on any train due to arrive in Kings Cross at or after 1117. The GC Only SVR is valid on any southbound GC service other than the 0820 from York but this is the only southbound train of theirs which arrives before 1117 so you might as well buy the Any Permitted SSR.

    On the return leg the Any Permitted SSR bars travel between 1500 and 1859 (1815 on Fridays). The GC Only SVR on the return portion allows travel on any northbound GC service apart from the 1650 but that is their only service which is in the restricted time for the Any Permitted SSR. So if you're able to restrict yourself to not being able to travel on the 'peak' GC services you might as well by an Any Permitted SSR as that will let you travel on any service at a valid time!

    I'm sure for people who are just jumping on their services it makes sense for GC to have GC only tickets to make sure they got the maximum revenue possible. But if you're buying at the station or in advance of travel I'm not sure why you'd ever buy a GC Only ticket on the York - London route when for £9 more you can have more flexibility!
     
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    I've brought this up before on this forum - but I won't yet recommend it:

    A Bradford to London return GC only is £77.60, arguably it is valid on GC trains from York to London.

    I've done it several times with any permitted tickets but have not yet needed to do it this way.
     
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    It's disappointing that GC seem to have moved away from a policy of reasonably priced walk on fares and innovative offers, to a split between the exhorbitant walk on fares and dirt cheap advance (yawn - just like every other train company).
     
  7. ainsworth74

    ainsworth74 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I would not recommend trying this. It might be technically valid but I would definitely expect an argument possibly quite a major one.
     
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    Is an Any Permitted ticket from Bradford to London valid via York? I would bave expected the answer to that to be no, but if it is then I can't see a problem...
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    Having said that, it's really difficult to think of a single destination where the origin is York that isn't a massive rip-off. Whitby/Middlesbrough area, routed Not Via Darlington is about the only one.
     
  9. ainsworth74

    ainsworth74 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    But the ticket is routed GC Only so whilst you can do Bradford to London via York on an Any Permitted ticket as far as I'm aware (it's a mapped route) but I'm not sure I'd fancy using a ticket routed GC Only at York with a ticket from Bradford. Sure I can start short on an SVR (doesn't appear to prohibit break of journey) but I would not expect a peaceful journey.
     
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    I have no idea what it would be like in practice., you may well be right. But I don't see any evidence to suggest this isn't permitted....
     
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    ainsworth74 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Never said it wasn't permitted ;)
     
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