Yorkshire Tiger discussion

[Andyh82]

There has been a cockup where the 81/82 have been included on the new timetable posters along with the 233 despite the latter replacing the former. I believe they were also still appearing on the journey planner and the yournextbus system.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

There has been a cockup where the 81/82 have been included on the new timetable posters along with the 233 despite the latter replacing the former. I believe they were also still appearing on the journey planner and the yournextbus system.

They didn't show up in the yournextbus when I checked it on Monday morning. That's not to say they weren't showing from other stops. Putting both posters up is just stupid, especially as there's no date displayed clearly on either, or a "From 2/9/18" note.

 

[Andyh82]

They didn't show up in the yournextbus when I checked it on Monday morning. That's not to say they weren't showing from other stops. Putting both posters up is just stupid, especially as there's no date displayed clearly on either, or a "From 2/9/18" note.

As you attached above, the whole sheet is from the 02/09/18, the 81/82 shouldn’t be included.

 

[Martin2012]

If anyone is able to answer I'd be interested to find out typically what vehicles do Yorkshire Tiger use on the 358 Huddersfield to Ashenhurst service and is the route interworked with any other services?

 

[Andyh82]

If anyone is able to answer I'd be interested to find out typically what vehicles do Yorkshire Tiger use on the 358 Huddersfield to Ashenhurst service and is the route interworked with any other services?

All the single decks at Waterloo are in a common pool really, so it’ll either be a Tempo or a Centro or an Omnicity, although the latter would be rarer as they don’t have as many.

I believe it will interwork with their other Metro tenders, the 356 and 360

 

[theblackwatch]

I see that Yorkshire Tiger has been fined almost £22K over its punctuality/reliability. Clearly considered much more serious than Connexions and Transdev in Yorkshire who have both been hauled in front of the Traffic Commissioner in the past year but weren't fined as far as I can remember.

From http://www.route-one.net/articles/Legal/Yorkshire_Tiger_fined__22k

West Yorkshire-based Yorkshire Tiger has been ordered to pay £21,750 after it failed to meet reliability and punctuality standards. It has also been given a formal warning for failing to notify changes of directors and transport managers.

The Arriva subsidiary, running buses in Leeds, Bradford, Halifax, Huddersfield, Dewsbury and Wakefield, “consistently operated at a level significantly below the expected standards set by the industry regulator,” ruled Deputy Traffic Commissioner (DTC) Anthony Secular.

 

[noddingdonkey]

Thanks for that link, it's useful to know what the official punctuality requirements are

The figures compare with the requirement that registered local services should operate 95% of routes no more than one minute early or up to five minutes late.

This may sound a bit sad, but having got fed up with a certain other big operator in West Yorkshire fobbing off complaints about punctuality on my local route, I set up a Google Spreadsheet to request the next bus data (through the API which is available) a minute before each scheduled departure from the local timing stop, and log the difference between the expected and scheduled departure times. Nowhere near 95% over the last two weeks (although some awful roadworks do entitle them to a bif of slack).

 

[Deerfold]

Well the 78/X78 between Halifax and Brighouse has been axed as of tonight.

The replacement that is the TJ Walsh operated 257/258, there suppose to be addtional journeys on the 258 to partially replace the Yorkshire Tiger's short lived 78/X78. The only irritaion is that WY Metro are still showing the old timetable from 2015 rathter than the new one so I wouldn't be too suprised if this lack of advertising is to try and kill off another route by stealth.

Metro are still avertising the 278 as a suitable bus for getting to Brooksbank school.

https://www.wymetro.com/your-school/a-z-school-finder/b/brooksbank-school/

 

[syorksdeano]

I see that Yorkshire Tiger has been fined almost £22K over its punctuality/reliability. Clearly considered much more serious than Connexions and Transdev in Yorkshire who have both been hauled in front of the Traffic Commissioner in the past year but weren't fined as far as I can remember.

From http://www.route-one.net/articles/Legal/Yorkshire_Tiger_fined__22k

You do realise that article is from 2016

 

[theblackwatch]

You do realise that article is from 2016

Apologies, no I didn't - for some reason, it came up on one of my news feeds exactly 2 years after the story was published and I didn't notice that it wasn't 2018...

 

[Martin2012]

All the single decks at Waterloo are in a common pool really, so it’ll either be a Tempo or a Centro or an Omnicity, although the latter would be rarer as they don’t have as many.

I believe it will interwork with their other Metro tenders, the 356 and 360

Thanks ever so much for explaining and sorry for delay in acknowledging it.

 

[Andyh82]

Although note that following the allocation changes since Honley depot closed, it could equally be a Solo or an MCV Evolution.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Although note that following the allocation changes since Honley depot closed, it could equally be a Solo or an MCV Evolution.

Didn't realise they'd closed Honley! Guess that shows how long it's been since I went down the Penistone line... surprised though, as Waterloo doesn't seem noticeably busier yet Tiger seem to still be running as many services in Huddersfield. Does that mean a fair few vehicles coming over from Elland each day?

Back on the notorious 233, even more annoying than the daytime frequency cut is the reduction to an hourly service from 1900h. Sort of understandable I guess, as there was always a fair old drop in custom in the evenings apart from the local scallies.

 

[Andyh82]

3 boards moved to Elland, the rest to Waterloo, but the 81/82/85 changes reduced the pvr by a few but it still went up by about 10

Honley depot is currently full of all the withdrawn and surplus stock

 

[61653 HTAFC]

3 boards moved to Elland, the rest to Waterloo, but the 81/82/85 changes reduced the pvr by a few but it still went up by about 10

Honley depot is currently full of all the withdrawn and surplus stock

Just passed Waterloo and they're not short of spare vehicles (used to always be deserted apart from the Christmas trees by quarter to five in the evening) so the reduced service isn't due to them spreading themselves too thinly. Despite the cut in frequency leading to folk standing as far as Kirkburton even on full-size buses, I've seen Solos on the 233 more frequently lately.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

In their wisdom, YT decided to send a Centro on the first post-match 233 which was full by Shorehead, and a Solo on the 231!

 

[noddingdonkey]

Looks like Tiger have waved the white flag in their war with First on the Golcar routes, from tomorrow's timetable change their 301 is withdrawn. I daresay First's current "up to 8 journeys per hour" will be reduced before long.

 

[Andyh82]

The First service runs every 10 mins and has done for quite a while.

No surprise at Tiger pulling out, the amount of times the drivers just sat in the back wall, letting First pick up all the passengers, before pulling in at the last second.

It must be the first time First and it’s predecessors have had Golcar all to themselves since about 1994

 

[geoffk]

Any bus on Yorkshire Tiger routes seen in Arriva Livery is as a result of YT taking Arriva cast off's and they have be reliveried. The problem comes if a passenger has an Arriva only ticket and tries to board a YT bus still in Arriva livery - tough look not valid.

Why would it not be valid as Tiger is part of Arriva.

 

[cnjb8]

Might have been mentioned but why do Yorkshire Tiger seem to withdraw vehicles so soon? Like the 59 Solos. Are they for sale? Are they broken?

 

[Deerfold]

No surprise at Tiger pulling out, the amount of times the drivers just sat in the back wall, letting First pick up all the passengers, before pulling in at the last second.

It must be the first time First and it’s predecessors have had Golcar all to themselves since about 1994

Almost. Tiger still run the contacted hourly 303/304.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Why would it not be valid as Tiger is part of Arriva.

Despite the common ownership, there's no cross-validity between Tiger and Arriva Yorkshire. The only exception I'm aware of being that both accepted (Arriva) Northern rail tickets during the strikes last year.

 

[Deerfold]

Despite the common ownership, there's no cross-validity between Tiger and Arriva Yorkshire. The only exception I'm aware of being that both accepted (Arriva) Northern rail tickets during the strikes last year.

The start of this little discussion was two years ago.

I remember reading a some time ago Tiger relented and accepted Arriva tickets on their services when an Arriva-liveried bus turned up.

There can't be many sections of route where both run now. Until a while ago the 278 had common sections of route with several Tiger services.

 

[Bwsbro]

Does Anyone know whos won the Bradford area Contracts from September, as the company have deregistered all their tendered operations in the area?

 

[geoffk]

Does Anyone know whos won the Bradford area Contracts from September, as the company have deregistered all their tendered operations in the area?

Don't know about Bradford, but I heard that First have won back the X58 Halifax - Rochdale. Perhaps this will mean the end of the unhelpful 70 minute service interval and return to hourly as First should have another hourly service with some spare layover in Halifax.

 

[Andyh82]

Does Anyone know whos won the Bradford area Contracts from September, as the company have deregistered all their tendered operations in the area?

TLC Travel have won services 606, 629, 630, 633, 634, 649, 656, 680, 671, 675, 677, 678, 679, 680

Transdev have won services 737, 747, 757

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Does Anyone know whos won the Bradford area Contracts from September, as the company have deregistered all their tendered operations in the area?

Of course Transdev were looking for drivers at their new Idle depot for the Flyer work, and there was discussion if they were taking on YT's site. Guess that losing that work made Idle unviable for YT.

Doesn't help answer your question mind NOTE: Until @Andyh82 answered 3.24 seconds before I posted

 

[darloscott]

That would just leave the Leeds Trinity shuttle bus - I am presuming this will not stay with Tiger and therefore transfer to someone else? Fourways or CT Plus most likely

 

[Bwsbro]

TLC Travel have won services 606, 629, 630, 633, 634, 649, 656, 680, 671, 675, 677, 678, 679, 680

Transdev have won services 737, 747, 757

Thanks for the comprehensive round up i knew of the Transdev winning the airport services but not the locals.

Of course Transdev were looking for drivers at their new Idle depot for the Flyer work, and there was discussion if they were taking on YT's site. Guess that losing that work made Idle unviable for YT.

Doesn't help answer your question mind NOTE: Until @Andyh82 answered 3.24 seconds before I posted

Its seems you can do a lot in 3.24 seconds haha

From their other registrations they must be concentrating more on the Huddersfield operation. It will be Interesting to see if the new Transdev will take over the former Yorkshire Tiger Depot in Idle

 

[Britannia94]

From their other registrations they must be concentrating more on the Huddersfield operation. It will be Interesting to see if the new Transdev will take over the former Yorkshire Tiger Depot in Idle

It has been confirmed that the new Transdev operations will take over the yorkshire tiger depot in Idle, I can’t remember where i have seen it, but it’s definitely happening, unless something between now and then causes it to change.