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Thessalonika (Greece) to Sofia Bulgaria, Constantly changing lanscapes, the border is interesting when you stop, so much to see and marvel at
Not an "all time favourite" bus trip but rather than start a new thread this seems appropriate to show what we can no longer do:
One positive outcome of the "lock-down" is that I have finally got round to digitising and cataloguing both my photo collection and trip logs. These include both train and bus trips and go back 50 years to 1970,the year I left school and started commuting to London. Employment gave me the income for travel and to start "serious" photography.
From my logs it seems that my peak bus travel was autumn/winter 1973/74. There is a logical reason for that. In 1972 I left work to study at the Polytechnic of Central London. From '72 - '74 I was a full time student. Initially my main interest was trains but I managed to get a summer job in 1973 with LT, working at 55 Broadway, This gave me three months of free travel on LT services. Through this my interest in buses grew and so upon my return to Poly' in the autumn I started to explore the LT bus area more and more. The most epic journey I undertook seems to have been on 5th January 1974 as follows: (route no, bus [using LT vehicle codes], journey)
397 RT621 Harlow - Bishops Stortford
720 RP7 BS - Epping
718 RP39 Epp - London Victoria
712 RF85 Vic - Epsom
406 RT4647 Epsom - Reigate
406 RT3153 Reigate - Redhill
405 RCL2222 Redhill - Crawley
727 RP2 Crawley - Heathrow
724 RP14 Heathrow - Harlow
With the loss of most of the Greenline bus routes such an itinerary would be impossible today. Harlow - Victoria alone (by bus) would take three hours on buses using four routes. Although if Airport buses were allowed taking a bus from Harlow to Stansted Airport and coach to London would be faster. Once I have cross referenced my pictures with logs I will add some images.
Those of us working in admin for L.T. buses at the split in 1970 were granted free bus travel in perpetuity on the LCBS 'green' routes, but they never included free Green Line travel (in theory, anyway!). In those days, spouses etc didn't get free travel, but once you showed a 'sticky' the conductor/driver-conductor looked the other way and didn't notice the other person.Fantastic trip, please do give us some pictures, of course you were well outside LT, LCBS had taken over the green empire in 1970. I might have stayed on the 712 all the way to Dorking, RFs working on coaches were always a joy.
Those of us working in admin for L.T. buses at the split in 1970 were granted free bus travel in perpetuity on the LCBS 'green' routes, but they never included free Green Line travel (in theory, anyway!). In those days, spouses etc didn't get free travel, but once you showed a 'sticky' the conductor/driver-conductor looked the other way and didn't notice the other person.
I don’t travel on buses an awful lot but a few stick out as particularly memorable.
- Last May, I took a bus from Llandudno to Bangor and I was very impressed how the bus was able to squeeze through all of the country lanes and cattle grids etc.
ATW Alex may be thinking of the portion that dives off through Dwygyfylchi, which is definitely a narrow country lane. There's also the squeeze out of the town walls at Conwy, but I think the eastbound journey is more entertaining there, as the bus goes downhill and takes a 90 degree turn to the right, then immediately threading the needle through the town walls.Country lanes and cattle grids on the bus from Llandudno to Bangor?
There are four buses per hour in each direction on the 5/X5 route, not overly rural but some nice sea views!
If you want rural catch the 75 from Llandudno to Llanfairfechan Railway Station via the Sychnant Pass, only a couple of times per day though!
Most memorable bus journey ? Where to start – there have been so many. In no particular order I can think of
- Riding up Haldon Hill on a Devon General (ex Ezeter Corporation,) 25 year old Guy Arab. This was the mid 1970s and the A38 was being built. Massive queue of traffic, and having to continue up the incline from a standing start several times
- Early 1970s, Northampton to Towcester to a United Counties Bristol KSW, a type that I didn’t realise still existed as my local operator (Crosville) had long since disposed of theirs.
- Travelling from Penkridge to Newark by independent bus operators in 1982, instead of going to my cousin’s wedding (I wasn’t invited though my parents were). Last stage from Nottingham to Newark one of Gash’s ancient Daimler CVD (?) double deckers, in a torrential rainstorm.
- Weymouth to Osmington Mills on a Western National Bristol LS (my only ever ride on this type). The bus waited around until the return trip 2 hours later !
- Journeys to and from Derby station and my grandmother’s house, where the vehicle that turned up was a) Derby Corpoation’s Foden / NC, or b) their unique low-height Ailsa.
- Birmingham to Worcester via the M5 on Midland Red Plaxton bodied Leyland Leopard. Sitting behind the driver (did this trip many times)
- Speeding down the M621 on board one of Black Prince’s Routemasters – or even once their Leyland PD3 (ex Ramsbottom ?)
- Travelling from Bangor to Bethesda via the back roads (steep hills, very narrow lanes) on board an ex Devon General Bristol LH coach of D & G (of Bethesda)
- Travelling from Tollesbury to Maldon on a sunny October day in 1986. Sitting at the front on top deck when we ran into a tree (!). We hit a large branch below the level of the seats and broke it off !
- Riding from Wrexham to Summerhill on Chaloner’s Bedford SB / Willowbrook. The bus was only 10 years old, but the design was about 30 years old !
- Travelling all the way from Uttoxeter to Birmingham on vehicles of Green Bus Service of Cannock. Finding out when I reached Birmingham that it was the last day that service would run !
- Travelling from Maesteg to Port Talbot by Llynfi Motor Services. Torrential rain, getting soaked waiting in Maesteg bus station (completely derelict). Route was a steep uphill climb, followed by a steep descent. Windows were steamed up, but I could see enough to see the sheer drop on one side of the road ! Vehicle was an ex Trent Leyland Tiger Cub as well.
- Kyleakin to Sligachan (and back) on a coach of Skyeways (a Leyland Leopard I think). Magnificent views of the Red and Black Cuillins.
- From Cromford up the steep hill to Wirksworth, on board a Bristol LH of Browns Motors (ex London Transport I think). Engine screaming as we slowed to a crawl. My friend and I were the only passengers.
- Dudley to Wolverhampton on an ex Darlington Seddon RU of Metrowest – a type I didn’t realise was still in service anywhere.
- And (how could I forget) finally catching up with South Notts Albion Lowlanders in October 1981 – by then they were the only examples still running, and were only on peak hour extras. Took LNN89E ( the last one built) all the way from Nottingham to Gotham. [ Sadly the bus got destroyed by an arson attack when in preservation ]
- My first ever trip from Matlock to Bakewell on route 172 (via the back roads, up hill and down dale), on a board an ex PMT Bristol RE of Silver Service.
- In the early days of deregulation, and Andrews of Sheffield had just started running services. Took an ex Douglas Corporation / Isle of Man AEC Regent out to Millhouses.
- Riding an ex Highland Omnibus Ford R192 / Willowbrook of Beresfords from Longton to Leek. The bus was full to start off with, but everyone got off in Weston Coyney, and I was the only passenger for the rest of the way. [ the bus was 20 years old, but I remember being disappointed it wasn’t more interesting ! ]
- Travelling from Crewe to London (by train !), armed with a copy of Buses mamagzine which listed the last 14 routes run by Routemasters. Managed to ride on all the routes – including some journeys where I was hanging off the back platform (naughty me !)
Which I suppose brings us on to the subject of preserved vehicles and special events. I’ll save those for another post …
I know it is a cheat but my first spotters bus trip with NCTS- Northern Counties Transport Society. It was a B&J Leyland Leopard I think. We went from Manchester to Sheffield then to Plymouth and various depots on the way. It was about 27 hours in total. Fabulous memories.
The Whitley Bay to Newcastle on an Optare, would that have been the 44? If so, there is every chance I was driving it.My god - there's some belters there - always got to love some trips on Bristol LHs but a real mixed bag there.
A few of my individual journeys
So many good memories
- Travelling from my home in Yorkshire on a United Explorer to Berwick on a Leopard and then two LHs to Wooler and back to Alnwick
- The last day of United in Scarborough in 1986 and rather than running to get the X58, a driver offered me a lift to Middlesbrough on a Bova Europa that was being sent back prior to the split
- My penultimate official run on a United RE from Ripon to York in May 1987
- The same day having an EYMS Olympian across the Wolds from Pocklington to Bridlington
- Experiencing my first Optare Delta - a Northumbria one from Whitley Bay to Newcastle. It was such a leap ahead of the Nationals and even the Lynxes being delivered
- Going from Stokesley to Helmsley through Bilsdale on a United Leopard and then to Malton and then Thirsk on a United Dodge - the minibus was awful but it was a fleeting tendered incursion by United over there
- When Northumbria bought out Rochester and Marshall, it meant Explorers were valid on there. I think it was some old Bedford (Setright machine laid on the floor) from Hexham to Consett
- 20 plus years later, I had the fastest MPD in the North as a Go NE driver arrived in Consett 10 mins earlier - horses were not spared
- Workington to Keswick in 1991 on a poppy red fifteen year old VR - stunning weather along Bassenthwaite Lake
- Approaching Salisbury for the first time from Ringwood on a bright Saturday - seeing the spire against pure blue skies from the top deck of a W&D VR
- Later the same day, a breezy ride down to Weymouth on another VR and getting a military guide as the bus looped around Blandford Camp
- A trip from Newcastle to Hexham on a former Invictaway long wheelbase Olympian - just so refined
The Whitley Bay to Newcastle on an Optare, would that have been the 44? If so, there is every chance I was driving it.
The Whitley Bay to Newcastle on an Optare, would that have been the 44? If so, there is every chance I was driving it.
You make me very jealous!A few memorable ones spring to mind
Last night of Routemaster 12 operation second to last bus back to Notting hill gate
Conductress who was going to be made redundant sitting on bench drinking champagne
I was on the platform conducting all the way from Dulwych to Marble Arch knowing that this would be the first and last time I would be able to do this on a bus in service. Going around Parliament square at speed was amazing.
A ride on the Diddler ( London's first trolley bus) at the East Anglia Transport Museum in 2012
My understanding is that has only ever run in service 3 or 4 times since retirement in 1948 and probably will never do so again
Open top routemaster in service Route 23
First used to put RMC1510 in ordinary service on summer days in 1998
I wanted to travel on it with my kids end to end and contacted the bus garage at Westbourne Park to ask what time it was going out
Come to the garage they said
I realised on the tube that I would be late by 15 mins so rang again to ask when it would be leaving Liverpool Street to catch it there
Lovely chap said no problem come to Westbourne park and we will hold it for you which they did
Great customer service
Well sounds like the nightmare of nightmares from that unique bus operatorProbably my most memorable if not quite favourite journey was with Catch 22 Bus during their first go at the X70 Manchester - Blackpool operated with ex London bendi Citaros. We left Manchester about 30 mins late, I was the only passenger on board though the driver was lovely. All okay, if rather slow, until we got onto the M55 toward Blackpool. Driver leaves the motorway onto an exit which goes straight onto a roundabout formed by bridges over the M55 below. Pulls the huge bus, two (or 6) wheels on the kerb on the bridge and explains to me as she's so late a shuttle is going to meet us to take me to Blackpool and she'll go back to Manchester to get back on schedule.
The shuttle was only one of their Routemasters bombing up the Motorway! Laden itself with passengers to change onto the Citaro to go to Manchester. An awkward passenger swap ensues and we continue to Blackpool, I was sat on the bottom deck with the open step just meters away as we reached 50mph.
Caught the last timetabled return journey of the day which was the same Citaro and same driver which gave me a passing thought round working/driving hours as she must have been on the road for at least 11 hours now and looking at the timetable I couldn't work out where she could have had a decent break. Grand total of 3 passengers to go back. Before we left Blackpool we call at the Esso Garage by the coach park to fill up on diesel despite being in service which takes a good 15 minutes. Somewhere along the East Lancs Road the bus slows to a crawl and the rear saloon starts to fill with smoke. In typical Citaro style it's overheated and is knackered! Driver tries her best but it's no use.
Her first priority was trying to call a taxi to take the passengers into Manchester, alas no-one will pick us up at the side of the East Lancs in fading light. Soon someone from Classic Bus management (as was the company name then) arrives after about an hour to confirm the bus is indeed knackered and there only thing for it is for the original driver to take us all into town in his Ford Focus.
Whilst going through my records, found a cracking little trip out that I'd forgotten all about (so not meeting the memorable criteria) from 2000. I'd driven to Wolverhampton and gone....
892 to Telford (Falcon), X5 to Shrewsbury (B10M Coach), D75 to Welshpool (Lynx), D71 to Oswestry (Tiger Alex bus), D70 to Shrewsbury (Dart SLF), 519 to Newport (B6LE), 481 to Stafford (Tiger EL bus), 876 to Wolverhampton (Dart step)
An eclectic set of Arriva vehicles and a mix of intensely rural routes and some quite urban and interurban stuff in great scenery; Shropshire is massively under-rated as a place to explore!
The other probably has to be when Rail River Link operated the 3 VRs on the 100 Service. I spent more than enough enjoyable days out on those.
The T2 was an absolutely amazing route, that i really want to do the full route on at some point, as the section between Dolgellau and Machynlleth in particular, was absolutely stunning.
We start in 1994 with my first ever bus ride in Latvia. Dad and I were staying with relatives in Pinki
Most memorable? Definitely Central to Aberdeen on Hong Kong Island back in 1999, the ride over the top and down into Aberdeen was pretty hair-raising from the front seat upper deck. The air conditioning on the bus was bliss too, given it was August and very very steamy.
Probably my most memorable was on a family holiday to St Ives in 2003.