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What train fleet would you have if you was in charge of a train company?.

If I was in charge of a train company on East Midlands Trains

I would have

Local trains fleet:
9 Class 150 2 car sprinter units operating on the Robin Hood Line, Nottingham to Crewe, Nottingham to Matlock routes
20 Class 153 single car sprinter units operating on Nottingham to Matlock, Nottingham to Crewe, Nottingham to Skegness, Leicester to Lincoln, Peterborough to Lincoln/Doncaster, Newark Northgate to Grimsby/Cleethropes, the Robin Hood Line and coupled onto other sprinter units on other routes during busy times.
11 Class 156 2 car sprinter units operating on the Robin Hood Line, Nottingham to Crewe, Leicester to Lincoln and Nottingham to Skegness.
25 Class 158 sprinter express units to operate on the Liverpool to Norwich route, Corby to Kettering, Leicester to Lincoln and Nottingham to Skegness. (16 2 car units and 9 3 car units)

London trains fleet
16 HST units from/to London going to Nottingham(Peak times), Sheffield(Off-Peak times), new direct service to Manchester Piccadilly calling at Luton, Leicester, Loughborough, Derby, Chesterfield, Stockport and Manchester Piccadilly, services to Leeds (Late evenings outwards and early morning services return), Summer saturdays and bank holiday mondays to Skegness (with all HST services doing that run to Nottingham on Saturdays in the summer on saturdays) calling at Luton, Wellingborough, Kettering, Market Harborough, Leicester, Loughborough, East Midlands Parkway, Beeston, Nottingham, Grantham, Sleaford, Boston and Skegness.

22 Meridian units from/to London going to Nottingham(Off peak times), Sheffield(Peak times), Lincoln to London (one early morning service to London and late evening to Lincoln), Corby, York and Scarborough(Weekend services only).

All the units will refurbished outside and inside.
 
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If i would have
Class 91's
HST's
class 60's
class 08's
class 90's
class 37's
class 47's
and class 50's
and a few javelins
opperating out of northwest england to South east england, south west england and wales
 

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Quite a hard quistion for me.

If I got to choose what units SouthEastern loan they would be....

Class 365s taking over 465/9s for Ashford International services and transfer some dual voltage 375s to the Great Northern Route in exchange for the 365s.

Class 456s doing the bromley north services while Class 466s were added to make longer trains.

All Class 465 "Networkers" refurb similar to the 465/9 interior but more of a NSE colours.

Not exactly exciting but thats mine!
 
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If I was in charge of the entire network, and could do a few "gauge enhancements" (plus some major wiring) I'd a have a common-platform fleet consisting of an Intercity, long distance commuter/rural routes, suburban and metro EMUs. Different seating/door arrangements for each of these four, with all double decker, but especially the second one would come in various lengths to suit route requirements. Commonality of design and parts would ease maintenance and thus hopefully reliability. However, my dreams of reboring the Underground, relaying the track as 2m track gauge etc are clearly mental, even if having ultimate planning authority (and the go-ahead to add si more running tunnels to the Chunnel, several tunnels to Ireland etc) would be nice.

So

In my "only slightly more affordable" rolling stock plan:
Nationalise! Not just the TOCs, but Bombardier trains UK too, taking the *star designs with it.

Intercity fleet

Standardise at a TEN car/loco formation with selective door opening.

Loco hauled

Mark 3
Buy up and refurbish the Irish Mrk3 stock, and refurbish and reform ALL UK Mrk3 stock. Include the HST stock in this. The HST as is will cease to exist*. Large batch of DVTs to be built. New formation:

A__ B_ C_ D__ E__ F__ G__ H__ I__ J
DVT FO FO RBF TSO TSO TSO TSO TSO Loco

To be hauled by new CoCo 140mph locos built on a common platform, one Diesel, one Electric- with a sub-class of Dual Voltage electric locos (speed limited on third rail pickup). Where needed, loco swaps to occur. Carriages and locos to have autocouplers to assist this. Diesel Locos to be able to rescue failed MUs

Refurbishment to include:
Power doors
Seating layout as for WSMR
All mod cons- wifi throughout, power sockets for every seat etc. Sensible compromise on toilets (with properly thought through retention tanks)
140mph capable bogies

Mark 4
to be shortened into the same formation, and given an overhaul similar to the Mark 3s plus: tilting! Carriages liberated by shortening to be formed into new sets with new build DVTs. All 91s to be replaced in the same loco order as for mrk3s

Mark 3 Sleepers

Formed up with DVT. Mark 2 seated sleeper and lounge cars to be replaced with Mark 3s (converted as needed). All sets therefore to consist of DVT+Seated Sleeper+Lounge+six sleeper carriages+loco. Wifi, power sockets etc as for day stock.


Multiple units:
All reformed into 10 car units.
Coaches B-I as for the loco hauled sets. Driving carriage A to be half first class with large luggage compartment. Driving carriage J to be the same but standard class. Interior as far as possible to be identical to the loco hauled refurb.
Class details
Class 180: meet the gas axe, the smelter, goodbye. Suppose if someone insists on preserving one they can...

220 and 221: major overhaul. 220s to become tilting 221s.

222s: Reformed and refurbed as above

390s: ditto the 222s

442s: Reformed, refurbed inside. New running gear and control systems to based on Desiros, and a new cab exterior as they're now ten car and thus not going to be running in multiple. Fitted with AC equipment including pantographs for possible dual-voltage running

444s: Reformed, interior refurbed, fitted with pantographs and new cab exterior.

One more bit: on the MUs, coaches A and J would never be reservable. One effect this would have is that reservations would always, always map between different classes, so that if a last minute substitution was needed (due to failure etc) everything would just work...

Rural, Suburban and Metro fleets

Standard features: Bin DOO, have SDO on all fleets, any unit of six cars or less to have unit-end gangways allowing passengers to move between units. Same standard autocoupler as fitted to the the intercity locos, rakes and units. Wifi, though power sockets not always standard.

No first class. At all. A big step to take, yes. Likely to be unpopular amongst many people, but tough.

Oh yeah- all MU. the residual mrk2 services GONE

Diesels

One word: Turbostar

Bid farewell (unless you want to preserve some- go ahead, you're welcome) to the 14xs and 15xs and 175 and 185. We're talking mono-culture.
The 16x series are closely related enough to the Turbostar to avoid the chop- they'll all be reconfigured as four-car units with new cab ends and interiors, including aircon (with no hopper-opening windows).
Single car units to replace 153s and heritage bubble cars.
Two car units to replace 14xs
Both have medium density 2+2 seating and space for two bikes in each car. One loo per unit (holding tanks)
Otherwise, two different four-car variants (this applies to the 16x fleet as well):
Local/commuter- high density 2+2. Again, two bikes per carriage. Two loos (one disabled-friendly)
Longer distance- Low density, mainly table seating. One end car to have a small guard's office, luggage area with capacity for four bikes (note: less bike capacity than the commuter/local arrangement) and a coffee/snack bar catering facility.

No end gangways- the idea would be that "splitter" services would be minimised thanks to better signalling and more staff, and any route needing more than a four car unit should be at the top of the electrification list!

Electrics

Broadly, there are several basic groups of EMU currently in suburban/metro use:
Mark 3s: 317/318/319/320/321/322
"PEPs" 313/314/315/507/508
Networkers
Electrostars (the children of the Networkers)
Junipers
Desiros
There's also a couple of "odd" classes, such as the 323 and 332 & 333, plus the specialised Javelin fleet being introduced.

I'd bin:
The Junipers (smallish fleet), PEPs and the 323, 332 and 333.

The remainder:
All would be reformed as 4, 8 and 12 car sets. The 8 and especially 12 car sets would be for London commuter services, and have no end gangway. The four car units would have connecting gangways. All third rail units fitted with AC equipment and pantographs.

Much as I proposed with the 442, I'd refurb the Mark 3s using Desiro systems- drive, control, aircon etc. The "PEP" cars from the 455s would go, incidentally.
The Networkers would undergo refurbishment and upgrading using Electrostar systems.
This would create essentially two fleets- the mark 3/Desiros and Networker/Electrostars. I'd ensure that they shared autocouplers between the two fleets and had compatible controls. Interoperability (for rescue) with the Intercity and Turbostar fleets would also be key here.
Extra Desiro and Electrostar stock would need to be built though of course.

Metro services
The 378 would be the template here. Sliding doors, four car units. I'd actually put more seating into the 378- I'd go for a similar layout as found in some of the tube stock, with longitudinal seating at the car ends with transverse 2+2 wide aisle in the middle section. Much of the Mark 3 fleet would become part of this fleet. Bikes, wheelchairs, prams etc can be accommodated in the longitudinal areas. Guard uses rear cab. All "metro" stations to become staffed and have facilities, so no loos required.

"Country"
Four car, similar to the longer distance Turbostar
Low density, mainly table seating. One end car to have a small guard's office, luggage area with capacity for four bikes and a coffee/snack bar catering facility. Used on stopping services on mainlines, such as the London-Birmingham (and beyond) LM services. Plug doors. End gangways.

Suburban
Eight cars. One end car with no seating- has large bike store, Snack bar and Guard's office. Rest of train with 2+2 seating, mix of bays with mini-table and airline, two carriages with 2 normal loos and other end car with wheelchair accommodation and accessible loo. Used mainly for London suburban services, also for the likes of Edinburgh-Glasgow and airport express routes.

"Super Suburban"
Deployed to to the busiest routes, 12 car mega units. Both end cars with bike store, office and snack bar. Two standard loos each in carriages 3 and 10. Disabled accommodation with accessible loo in carriages 5 and 8. 2+2 seating as above.

New builds would split between Electrostars and Desiros, though Siemens would be "encouraged" to start building them in the UK

Freight

A new single-bodyshell, common platform loco design to replace all current fleets. Available in a standard "fast" fright and slower "heavy" varient as well as Electric (again, with dual-voltage sub-class)

One change I would make would be that they'd all be capable of supplying head end power. This would be to service a new fleet of intermodal wagons and containers capable of carrying refrigerated and even frozen goods.

I'd go a new standard yard shunter loco too, with as much parts-commonality with the mainline locos as possible.


*barring two or three preservation sets. I'm not totally heartless. They can even get refurbed Valentas refitted to keep the frothers happy. Anything being totally scrapped would be offered up for preservation, with key examples being frankly foisted upon the NRM. Possibly even preserve some of the units that would otherwise be heavily refurbed and reformed
 
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A HST with Valenta Engine.
A HST with MTU engine. (both HSTs in Intercity livery)
Two 314s; one with the GEC components (loud clank sound) and the other with a BRUSH components. both 314s in SPT orange/black livery.
A 156 in SPT orange.
A 170 in Carmine/Cream livery (blood and custard)
 

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My local TOC is FGW. On long distance services, I am very happy with their full fleet of refurbished HSTs!

As for local services, I would obviously get rid of all the pacers, 150s and 153s, and replace them with 158s and 170s. For the longer routes currently served by 150s and 158s, I would have 170s or 185s. With first class sections on all of them!

Oh, and I would take the GWR railcars from Swindon and Didcot museums, and bring them back into service on local routes.
(For those of you not familiar with railcars, this is what I mean http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/1934_GWR_diesel_railcar.jpg , http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/22_AEC_GWR_railcar.jpg )
 

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Slightly modified 444s (increase luggage space, bigger buffet, full coach of FC) for express work.
Basic 450s for outer suburban work (move FC to one end)
High Capacity 450s for inner suburban work

Complete fleet, all interchangeable and compatible.
 

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Hmmm....

For FCC who are my employer:

I would do the following for the GN route:

Introduce 30 377/6s or 30 350/3s which would be AC only which would operate in either 8 or 12 car formations thus vastly increasing seating and services while handing back the 10 321s and 12 317s to NXEA.

The 350s having the same seating layout as the LM 350/1s and with a buffet available on services instead of a trolley service.

Introduce 60 378/3s which would both AC and DC not to mention having a different internal layout to the LOROL 378s and have a lower roof profile.

This would also mean operating services to and from Moorgate between 0600 to 0100 if the demand is there or between 0600 and 0000.

I would do the following for the TL route:

I would introduce 30 444/2s as both AC and DC if suitable for the route as dedicated Brighton to Bedford services running along the lines of the Stansted Express/Gatwick Express services running them as either 5 or 10 car formations.

If not then I would get 30 377/5s but request Bombardier for a additional 15 coaches to boost the 377s to 5 cars and have a mixed fleet of 4 and 5 car 377s.

For the FGW franchise, I would scrap all Pacers without delay by replacing them with Sprinters, I would keep the HSTs as they are but introduce 181s on certain services which would be the next version of the 180s without all the faults! Not forgetting 170s which would work on the same routes as the 158s currently do.

For the FTPE franchise, I would have 23 Class AC only 444s running the Manchester to Scotland services while requesting 51 extra carriages for the existing Class 185 fleet to boost them to 4 cars.

I wouldn't do anything to the FHT fleet other then introduce 4 HSTs in a 2 x 7 configuration.
 

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NXEA?

Class 86s + Mk2s on Express services
Class 144 Pacers and 150s on Local Branch Services.
Class 158s on Longer Distance services
Class 317s on Suburban services.
 

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In my "only slightly more affordable" rolling stock plan:
Nationalise! Not just the TOCs, but Bombardier trains UK too, taking the *star designs with it.

Intercity fleet

Standardise at a TEN car/loco formation with selective door opening.

Loco hauled

Mark 3
Buy up and refurbish the Irish Mrk3 stock, and refurbish and reform ALL UK Mrk3 stock. Include the HST stock in this. The HST as is will cease to exist*. Large batch of DVTs to be built. New formation:

A__ B_ C_ D__ E__ F__ G__ H__ I__ J
DVT FO FO RBF TSO TSO TSO TSO TSO Loco

To be hauled by new CoCo 140mph locos built on a common platform, one Diesel, one Electric. Where needed, loco swaps to occur. Carriages and locos to have autocouplers to assist this. Diesel Locos to be able to rescue failed MUs

Refurbishment to include:
Power doors
Seating layout as for WSMR
All mod cons- wifi throughout, power sockets for every seat etc. Sensible compromise on toilets (with properly thought through retention tanks)
140mph capable bogies

Mark 4
to be shortened into the same formation, and given an overhaul similar to the Mark 3s plus: tilting! Carriages liberated by shortening to be formed into new sets with new build DVTs. All 91s to be replaced in the same loco order as for mrk3s

Mark 3 Sleepers

Formed up with DVT. Mark 2 seated sleeper and lounge cars to be replaced with Mark 3s (converted as needed). All sets therefore to consist of DVT+Seated Sleeper+Lounge+six sleeper carriages+loco. Wifi, power sockets etc as for day stock.


Multiple units:
All reformed into 10 car units.
Coaches B-I as for the loco hauled sets. Driving carriage A to be half first class with large luggage compartment. Driving carriage J to be the same but standard class. Interior as far as possible to be identical to the loco hauled refurb.
Class details
Class 180: meet the gas axe, the smelter, goodbye. Suppose if someone insists on preserving one they can...

220 and 221: major overhaul. 220s to become tilting 221s.

222s: Reformed and refurbed as above

390s: ditto the 222s

442s: Reformed, refurbed inside. New running gear and control systems to based on Desiros, and a new cab exterior as they're now ten car and thus not going to be running in multiple. Fitted with AC equipment including pantographs for possible dual-voltage running

444s: Reformed, interior refurbed, fitted with pantographs and new cab exterior.

Part 2: the commuter and rural fleet to come

*barring two or three preservation sets. I'm not totally heartless. They can even get refurbed Valentas refitted to keep the frothers happy
Sounds good - and quite sensible! Though I must confess a slight fondness for the Adelantes :oops:

Anyway, if I was to completely ignore common sense/economic reality/environmental concerns/actual 'progress' and just go with my heart, I'd be saying 'hello' to the combined fleet of all the 'Big Four', circa 1938 (plus some Bulleid 'spam cans' because they're wonderful!). :D
 
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what I would do is have a uniform fleet of 2 different classes

for local trains it would be something like a dual voltage 350/1 with a diesel engine included for local trains with more comfort and more comfortable levels of lighting

then for expresses something like a dual voltage pendolino with decent sized windows and comfortable seats in standard class with one carriage closed off to contain a diesel engine for running on non-electrified routes.

all trains would be run properly with plenty of staff in each train (for example 1 member of staff per every 2 or 3 carriages with one or to members of staff for each carriage). and on the express trains a well stocked buffet offering high quality food and drinks (not like the rubbish on modern trains) to standard class as-well as first class on all trains which makes most operator's first class seem poor. all this is accompanied by friendly and helpful on board staff who will assist you with any problem (and not harass you for penalty fares).

(this post is so long I was logged out for inactivity while writing it)
 

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Diesel Lines
Class 20
Class 25
Class 27 (for Push-Pull workings)
Class 37
Class 45 (Re-geared for 100 mph)
Class 56
Class 60
HST

Met Cam Class 101 DMU

Electrified Lines
Class 81
Class 85
Class 86/2

EMU
Class 310 (re-geared for 90 mph)
Class 309 (Clacton)
Class 317

Shunters
Class 03
Class 08

LHCS
Mk 1 with Commonwealth bogies.
All LHCS sets to convey RK/RB/RMB

Southern Region
Hastings sets
EPB
BEP
CEP
BIG
CIG
VEP
REP
4 TC
Class 33 for Weymouths

To facilitate the above, the following actions would be implemented

All modern plastic junk would be ritually burnt, and the designers given the choice of being sentenced to life or made to live in France and work for the French :lol:

All members of the HSE would be hanged from the nearest lamp-post and PROPER HMRI Inspectors restored to look after safety matters.

All Safety Taliban would be expelled to France and made to work for Renault, where their efforts may be more fruitful, or not more as like.

All scrotes, hoodies, and ne'er do wells causing problems would be birched......actually let's just do that anyway.

All Signalmen would be called that. Signallers work for the Army, Signalmen operate signalboxes. That is why they were called signalmen and not signallers:roll::roll::roll:<(

All IECCs would be closed as quickly as possible and replaced by PSBs with geographical interlocking, and proper track circuits.

Saltley Depot would be reconstructed and all its work returned.
 
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One word - Networkers.

Everywhere. :D

I know here aren't enough to go around, so I'd have Bombardier/Siemens/whoever build some new Networkers (Class 385) using the Hitatchi motors (currently being fitted to the BREL 465s) with 100mph running capabilities and a mix of 465/9 and 365 interior specifications, both AC/DC only and dual voltage. And for diesel lines, build some new 165/166s, same interior specs as above, except have some geared to 125mph. <D
 

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Though I must confess a slight fondness for the Adelantes :oops:
The main justification for not keeping them would be that that there would only be seven of them if reformed to ten car units. That's just too few to survive.
 
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One word - Networkers.

Everywhere. :D

I know here aren't enough to go around, so I'd have Bombardier/Siemens/whoever build some new Networkers (Class 385) using the Hitatchi motors (currently being fitted to the BREL 465s) with 100mph running capabilities and a mix of 465/9 and 365 interior specifications, both AC/DC only and dual voltage. And for diesel lines, build some new 165/166s, same interior specs as above, except have some geared to 125mph. <D
Glad to see another "Networker" fan around :).

Dont forget to put EPB's in there aswell!.
 

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Wonder how difficult it would be lower the track bed of the Sub-surface lines (London Underground) sufficiently to allow full-size AC electrics? :lol::lol:
Talking of which, I wonder if it was possible for NR to close the NCL for a period of time to lower the trackbed, then 378s could easily be used vice 313s....
 

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My fleet

Cl37+Load 5 Mk2`s+Cl37 ETH
Cl60+load 6 Mk2`s+DBSO
Cl57+load 7 Mk3`s+cl57 (Premier service)
Cl31+load 4 Mk2`s+Cl31
Cl56+load 5 Mk2`s+cl56

Mk2`s will be Mk2e/f

My Service

London Paddington-Holyhead
Going Via and Calling at:
London Paddington-Reading-Oxford-Coventry-Birmingham Inter (2tpd)-Birmingham New Street-Wolverhampton-Stafford-Crewe-Chester-Rhyl-Prestatyn-Bangor-Holyhead

With an extra 2 summer sat services to Blackpool North hauled by Cl57+Load 7 Mk3`s+Cl57

May also run a summer service from Chester to llandudno uning heritage units :)
 

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Talking of which, I wonder if it was possible for NR to close the NCL for a period of time to lower the trackbed, then 378s could easily be used vice 313s....
I was thinking that too, though it might be a tad trickier.
 

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Local service EMUs:

Class 318
Class 450 Desiro

Local Service DMUs:

Class 153
Class 158 Express Sprinter
Class 170 Turbostar

Long Distance Intercity trains:

Class 43 HST
Class 390 Pendolino
Class 220 Voyager
Class 221 Super Voyager
Class 170 Turbostar
Class 158 Express Sprinter

Locos:

Class 90
Class 92
Class 67

If it's for my local TOC, All in First ScotRail barbie livery!

If it were my own company, the name would be either something comical like "Glas-GO!" or more to the point like "Glaswegian Rail" (or shortened to "Glaswegian").
 
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Ill walk :lol: Glasgow to euston in 6 hrs, running in 2 car formations.

you say long distance but they only come in packs of 2 and 3, after 2 stops it`ll be full of people standing
I consider Glasgow - Inverness long ditance, and that's operated by 170s. And it would be in 3 car formations, like all Scottish-run Turbostars.
 

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In common with several other contributors on this thread, I would NATIONALISE the railways. One of the main advantages would be uniform and coherent rolling stock distribution e.g. SWT are replacing the 421s on the Lymington branch with 158s; other, more suitable units such as the 508s are out of the question because SWT can't lease any more units under the terms of its franchise.

Anyway, here goes...

Intercity Services


  • Purchase any remaining Irish Rail Mk2s and Mk3s, which would then be extensively refurbished. Passenger Information Screens would also be installed, along with new air conditioning modules, new carpets, and a new interior design.

  • Purchase a set of RailJet push-pull coaches for CrossCountry services to replace the 220s/221s. They would be in combinations of 8-9 cars or 10-11 cars


  • In order to haul these coaches, around 50 locomotives, which would be a scaled-down version of the Siemens Taurus class, would be ordered. Repeat orders would probably be necessary if the the GWML and MML are to be electrifiedFurthermore, around 30 locomotives of the Bombardier TRAXX design would be ordered. Where possible, these would be built under license in the UK

  • The withdrawal of the 220s/221s would provide extra work for the 67s as well. The 220s/221s would be refurbished (in particular, some seats would be removed so they'd line up with the windows), and put to work on any long-distance services which require units with a low axle load, such as the West Highland Line

Part 2. (High Speed Line services) coming soon
 
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