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Return of the Pig?
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thank you stephen.
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I think it is. I know the are well. But whitecliff is that are with the boats then it goes round to the public causeway and then the road. The railway is on a rising gradient. Why don't we meet up there and spend an hour discussing it?.
paul1609
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Apparently the PIGs return is off, due to money difficulites.
Because I have to do a little thing known as work to make money to keep a roof over my head and to pay my bills and eat.
Hentis
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Tom
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Don't worry - the 458s are dealing with the situation. I've been told there is a new breakdown software mod.... 
TheSlash
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444 coach not coming back today after all, not sure when it will be re scheduled to
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Tom
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Coach from 444 013 returned to Bomo depot yesterday.
And to those of you thinking it's SWT who have to pay - it's in fact Angel who are having to offer the stock in order to provide the number of units as required in the contract. Siemens could well be having to pay the leasing costs on this one ... oh the irony.
And to those of you thinking it's SWT who have to pay - it's in fact Angel who are having to offer the stock in order to provide the number of units as required in the contract. Siemens could well be having to pay the leasing costs on this one ... oh the irony.
Brilliant news apparently they are!:> All,
> I went to an Abuse The Manager Session at Waterloo last night to moan
> about the continued use of a class 450 on the 16.35 Waterloo to
> Weymouth, and was rendered almost, but not quite, speechless to be
> told that the Wessex Units will be returning to the Bournemouth Line
> early next year, basically because SWT is running out of useable
> trains!
>
> I was told the following:
> The availability of class 444's, class 450's and class 458's is below
> that promised by the rolling stock leasing company (Angel trains?),
> and as a result SWT are struggling to provide peak services.
>
> From 9th December there needs to be a higher availability of class
> 444's than at present and the rolling stock leasing company have
> formally advised SWT that they can not meet that requirement. SWT are
> looking at train lengthy reductions outside the peaks to ensure that
> peak hour trains can be formed of 10 and 12 car trains.
>
> Now the real killer.......
> There are around 6 class 444's are stopped long term due to damage to
> the body work or the bogies, in addition there are at least 2 class
> 444's in operation with damage to the body work that does not prevent
> their safe operation, but the damage is such that ideally SWT would
> not wish to run these units. When the class 444's were constructed
> Siemens sub-contracted their construction to a subsidiary in Austria,
> who had capacity between other work. On completion of the work it
> appears that they were informed that the jigs were no longer required
> and they were destroyed. As a result it is no longer possible,
> without considerable expense and a massive lead time to construct
> spare body sections or bogies for the class 444's. Even better is the
> fact that each coach within a five car set is a unique vehicle, so
> moving vehicles around to make up a small number of good units is
> difficult. Angel trains have therefore offered SWT 4 Wessex units to
> cover for the missing class 444's. The units will be based on
> Bournemouth, and refresher training is to start shortly. I was also
> told that bringing a number of the class 350's Desiro's down from
> Silverlink County and converting them to 3rd rail was considered by
> the DfT refused to allow this. Apparently the senior management team
> in SWT are not happy about the situation, given all the bad publicity
> they received when they took the Wessex units out, and the big play
> they made about how much more reliable the Desiro's would be, but
> believe they are now caught between a rock and a very expensive hard
> place.
>
> Being an untrusting sole I asked the guard of our train on the way
> home last night, and he told me that it had been rumoured in
> Bournemouth depot for some time, and that from 9th December
> Bournemouth train crew will no longer be working to and from
> Portsmouth, to free them up for refresher training.
> I went to an Abuse The Manager Session at Waterloo last night to moan
> about the continued use of a class 450 on the 16.35 Waterloo to
> Weymouth, and was rendered almost, but not quite, speechless to be
> told that the Wessex Units will be returning to the Bournemouth Line
> early next year, basically because SWT is running out of useable
> trains!
>
> I was told the following:
> The availability of class 444's, class 450's and class 458's is below
> that promised by the rolling stock leasing company (Angel trains?),
> and as a result SWT are struggling to provide peak services.
>
> From 9th December there needs to be a higher availability of class
> 444's than at present and the rolling stock leasing company have
> formally advised SWT that they can not meet that requirement. SWT are
> looking at train lengthy reductions outside the peaks to ensure that
> peak hour trains can be formed of 10 and 12 car trains.
>
> Now the real killer.......
> There are around 6 class 444's are stopped long term due to damage to
> the body work or the bogies, in addition there are at least 2 class
> 444's in operation with damage to the body work that does not prevent
> their safe operation, but the damage is such that ideally SWT would
> not wish to run these units. When the class 444's were constructed
> Siemens sub-contracted their construction to a subsidiary in Austria,
> who had capacity between other work. On completion of the work it
> appears that they were informed that the jigs were no longer required
> and they were destroyed. As a result it is no longer possible,
> without considerable expense and a massive lead time to construct
> spare body sections or bogies for the class 444's. Even better is the
> fact that each coach within a five car set is a unique vehicle, so
> moving vehicles around to make up a small number of good units is
> difficult. Angel trains have therefore offered SWT 4 Wessex units to
> cover for the missing class 444's. The units will be based on
> Bournemouth, and refresher training is to start shortly. I was also
> told that bringing a number of the class 350's Desiro's down from
> Silverlink County and converting them to 3rd rail was considered by
> the DfT refused to allow this. Apparently the senior management team
> in SWT are not happy about the situation, given all the bad publicity
> they received when they took the Wessex units out, and the big play
> they made about how much more reliable the Desiro's would be, but
> believe they are now caught between a rock and a very expensive hard
> place.
>
> Being an untrusting sole I asked the guard of our train on the way
> home last night, and he told me that it had been rumoured in
> Bournemouth depot for some time, and that from 9th December
> Bournemouth train crew will no longer be working to and from
> Portsmouth, to free them up for refresher training.
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Oracle
Established Member
To destroy jigs is little more than crass stupidity! Look at the parts that the Croydon trams need to be made to repair accident damage! Trains have collisions, they get side-swiped by trees, luggage trolleys, etc. here and abroad! In the automotive world you never scap jigs unless you really never need them again..they can always be found to come in handy and be remodelled for developments. To say I am shocked is an extreme understatement. Also, in my humble opinion it was also short-sighted to have relied totally on new trains without back-up. Bring back the pigs, and make sure that you have enough of them..if any more Undesiros break down or is it brake down, or a tree decides to exact revenge, then you need a small herd of pigs. And if you look back in history British railways are full of stories of wholesale new trains having to be taken out of service and old stock substituted. At least in those days there was the stock to bring back!
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Tom
Guest
I'd rather people didn't copy entire posts from Yahoo groups *cough*fred*cough*.
thefab444
Established Member
Interesting to read that using 350s were considered, aren't they ours by all rights anyway?
T
Tom
Guest
No - and I highly doubt SWT would even consider it despite what that text says.
Conversion wasn't required - proved by the 12 car test runs overnight a year or two back, also the 350s are key part of the London Midland franchise ... so even if they did beg the DfT, the chances were nil anyway.
Conversion wasn't required - proved by the 12 car test runs overnight a year or two back, also the 350s are key part of the London Midland franchise ... so even if they did beg the DfT, the chances were nil anyway.
thefab444
Established Member
Hmm, so what happened to the planned 5-car 450s that were stolen off us? I assumed they became the 350s?
T
Tom
Guest
5-car 450s are still on the books - part of the franchise investment for the current term. The 5th car would get inserted into the high density units.
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Tom
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The message in your gmail happened to be a message from Yahoo groups though.
Oracle
Established Member
I mentioned the other day of seeing a 12-car 450 at Eastleigh ECS running Up..first time for me. Is this unsual, either ECS or in pax service then?
T
Tom
Guest
No - pretty normal ....
TheSlash
Established Member
Depending on availability, there are several of them come down to Northam after the morning rush hour, about 10:00.
T
Tom
Guest
David - prepare to be shot.
87015
Established Member
2x442 to Wolverton on Monday
westcoaster
Established Member
any idea of the time/ timings 87015
87015
Established Member
Only have 1310 Ledburn so presume follows 1224 Euston-Northampton. I'm not around so a phot would be good to see - must be first appearance of the class through Leighton?
westcoaster
Established Member
good good off monday so should go and see these, know a good few places around wolverton and the works, never seen or heard any evidence of them up the wcml. surely they are not going for refurb, iirc that was done at ilford, maybe a re-paint and internal reconfig.
I know
47830 was at Maritime on Friday so expect this to do the honours, but apply the usual caviats as precaution.
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0Z80 07.50 Southampton MT - Eastleigh Works, Eastleigh Sta 08.15-20.
Train 5Z80 runs MO 03/12/07
Loco-Hauled Sector 09 (FLHH)
Set up by TSDB on 28/11/07 Type STP
Location Booked
86092 ELEIGH RC 09:45
86087 EASTLEIGH 09:50 09:55
86084 SHAWFORD PASS 10:02
86083 WINCHESTR PASS 10:06
86069 WORTINGJN PASS 10:24
86066 BASINSTOK PASS 10:28
86045 FLEET PASS 10:44
86042 FARNBORO PASS 10:49
87043 PIRBGHTJN PASS 10:54
86040 WOKING JN PASS 11:05
86031 WOKING PASS 11:06
86022 BYFLEETNH PASS 11:14
86010 ADDLSTNJN PASS 11:16
87106 VIRGINIAW PASS 11:34
87114 STAINES PASS 11:45
87121 FELTHAM PASS 11:54
87122 FELTHAMJN PASS 11:58
87131 TWCKNMJ PASS 12:02
87131 TWICKNHAM PASS 12:03
87133 STMARGRTS PASS 12:05
87135 RICHMOND PASS 12:08
87149 BARNES PASS 12:16
87219 CLAPHAMJN PASS 12:20
87205 LATCHMERE PASS 12:23
72241 KENSGTN O PASS 12:27
72238 NTHPOLEJN PASS 12:30
72237 MITREBDGJ PASS 12:31
72268 WILSDNWLJ PASS 12:32
72236 WILSDNNO7 PASS 12:34
72115 WEMBLYDSJ PASS 12:35
72229 SUDBURYJN PASS 12:36
72021 WEMBLEY C PASS 12:38
72007 HARROWWLD PASS 12:41
71040 WATFORDJN PASS 12:47
71009 BOURNEEND PASS 12:57
70411 TRING PASS 13:03
70320 LEDBURNJN PASS 13:10
70306 BLETCHLEY PASS 13:20
70261 MILTON KC PASS 13:24
70215 WOLVERTON 13:28 13:33
70217 WOLVTN CS 13:38TA Roger Smith (WRGEN)
Yes they went to Crewe for MBLS modifications and a re-viynl into SWT House colours back in 1998/1999.
It looks as though this trip it will be 2 x 442s but for the rest it will be 1 x 442. The idea is the modifications needed for the MBLS are removal of the buffet and snug area and more seats and a luggage area being added fir when they are used on the GatEX services. The work will also include upholstery and re-viynling into GATEX colours, also any remedial work carried out as needed.
Couple of sites of interest:-
The 5-Wes Gallery
SEG's Whither Wessies Gallery
Incidently There has been a fitters vacancy for Bournemouth. "C4 Fitters x2 - Knowledge of 159's, 400's, 455's & 442's required!!! "
The 442's back for SWT are 2 sets of 2 442s for two 10 coach trains in the morning and 2 10 coach trains in the evening only as far as Poole. This looks as though it could start from January.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Hentis
ChampsRacing
Member
Wonder if my trainers at basingstoke tomorrow would like to see them 
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