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From what Ive seen of the Y4, loadings seem to be poor. Though as I travel on peak the buses I pass are typically going against the peak.

The 110/111 were cancelled with vosa widest from the Monday just passed though I believe this is part of their admin exercise to get all routes onto one 'O' license so they would have been reregistered elsewhere. They seem to be keeping the routes (for now at least)

Thanks for your reply,

I'd previously seen all Yourbus routes had been cancelled & re-registered on a new license. The comment about Yourbus possibly loosing the 110/1 was posted on Yourbus Enthusiasts Facebook page 18th Oct - it could well have been someone getting crossed wires
 
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PB0002186/16 - TRENT MOTOR TRACTION CO LTD T/A TRENT BUSES, 88A MANSFIELD ROAD, HEANOR, DE75 7BG
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Sandiacre, Derby Road and Nottingham, Maid Marion Way/Friar Lane given service number Club Class effective from 28-Dec-2015.

I thought they had just replaced the coaches on this one, back in the summer? May be part of a wider recast of the sandiacre routes? Possibly the impact of Y4? Are the target audience from Stapleford and Sandiacre moving towards the tram? So many questions!
 
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PB0002186/16 - TRENT MOTOR TRACTION CO LTD T/A TRENT BUSES, 88A MANSFIELD ROAD, HEANOR, DE75 7BG
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Sandiacre, Derby Road and Nottingham, Maid Marion Way/Friar Lane given service number Club Class effective from 28-Dec-2015.

I thought they had just replaced the coaches on this one, back in the summer? May be part of a wider recast of the sandiacre routes? Possibly the impact of Y4? Are the target audience from Stapleford and Sandiacre moving towards the tram? So many questions!

Lots of complaints about it for some time. One vehicle is also used on peak Ruddington Business Park journey which is ending this month. Increased frequency on their own I4 has perhaps led to overcapacity and thus no need for the Club Class gimmick.
 

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Killing off the Ruddington has probably highlighted that this peak need for 'odd' extra workings isn't really necessary. Far better for Trent to concentrate on their core routes and frequencies.
 

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It's all kicking off at Bartons over working Boxing Day, some very strong wording has been used by the Union Reps. Im also told they not happy that a Driver was sent out to Coalville on Skylink with a Paper Drawn Map:lol:

And the fact that a Female Driver ,had to Drive a Keyworth Connection Bus with a Broken seat! As the had no spare buses!
 

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It's all kicking off at Bartons over working Boxing Day, some very strong wording has been used by the Union Reps. Im also told they not happy that a Driver was sent out to Coalville on Skylink with a Paper Drawn Map:lol:

And the fact that a Female Driver ,had to Drive a Keyworth Connection Bus with a Broken seat! As the had no spare buses!

They haven't had sufficient spare buses for ages. Probably a lot to do with how many they continually take off the road, to rub down and put on yet another coat of different coloured paint.

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RE: Boxing Day, they're running a normal Sunday service this year meaning that shifts are being allocated, rather than it being on a voluntary basis.

Given that people working in the emergency services, heal services, retail sector, food sector, not to mention people in the armed forces, all have to work Boxing Day and often have issues getting there due to poor public transport, I think the union reps need to get off their high horse personally.

Nottingham spare 723 has been on loan to derby to cover for the larger red arrow PVR since the route was split, it's currently on loan to Langley Mill as a Two Volvo B8 was delivered late, it's due back at Derby to displace a Solar to head over to Nottingham imminently.
 

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RE: Boxing Day, they're running a normal Sunday service this year meaning that shifts are being allocated, rather than it being on a voluntary basis.

Given that people working in the emergency services, heal services, retail sector, food sector, not to mention people in the armed forces, all have to work Boxing Day and often have issues getting there due to poor public transport, I think the union reps need to get off their high horse personally.

Nottingham spare 723 has been on loan to derby to cover for the larger red arrow PVR since the route was split, it's currently on loan to Langley Mill as a Two Volvo B8 was delivered late, it's due back at Derby to displace a Solar to head over to Nottingham imminently.


Plus you have a few Sporting fixtures/events taking place on Boxing Day which can be a nightmare to get to with no public transport operating.

My area has buses on Boxing Day but operate on a skeleton Sunday service starting from 10am, however most of the last services are around 5-6pm, with a few last services around 7.30-8pm.
 

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They haven't had sufficient spare buses for ages. Probably a lot to do with how many they continually take off the road, to rub down and put on yet another coat of different coloured paint.

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Quite, and also the application of that ridiculous strapline 'The Really Good Bus Company' which it clearly isn't. The Pretty Average Bus Company would perhaps be nearer the truth!
 

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Quite, and also the application of that ridiculous strapline 'The Really Good Bus Company' which it clearly isn't. The Pretty Average Bus Company would perhaps be nearer the truth!

Yawn.

There isn't currently anything from Nottingham in for a repaint. Funny how nobody says anything about NCT doing the same, they seem to do far more repaints than Trent

And they are far better than average, they focus on the customer, pay attention to the interiors, give features that other operators wouldn't think about, run at higher, more convenient frequencies rather than run double deckers and, where possible create faster, more convenient routes. They're not the only good bus company in the UK but they're a hell of a lot better than average and their nomination for operator of the year at the UK bus awards proves just that.
 

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I agree with much of what you say, certainly the Trent drivers, and customer-facing aspects in general, are far better than most other UK bus companies.

My earlier comment about repainting didn't mention Nottingham at all so I'm not sure why that has been brought into it - looking at Wellglade as a whole, they are repainting many buses at present - Calvertons, Comet, Black Cat, Kinch 2 etc and, presumably, those Ruddingtons, the N&D ex-NCTs ........

It appears to me that Trent have even more 'spare' liveried buses now than they have had usually - but then so does NCT I think (don't know, just an impression). The key difference between the two operations is that Wellglade seems to often be struggling for a suitable bus and falls back on the 'any bus is better than no bus' position - whilst very true, it always appears that NCT is far more in control of their resources.

Of course, both are excellent all-round operators and NCT wins numerous awards too. I think Trent just make matters worse for themselves with a strapline that is partly, but not fully, deserved. If only they amended it to be something like 'We aim to be the best bus company.....' then they may well avoid giving the impression of arrogance.
 
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Yawn.



And they are far better than average, they focus on the customer, pay attention to the interiors, give features that other operators wouldn't think about, run at higher, more convenient frequencies rather than run double deckers and, where possible create faster, more convenient routes. They're not the only good bus company in the UK but they're a hell of a lot better than average and their nomination for operator of the year at the UK bus awards proves just that.

Yes but living on a route with a 10 minute frequency we now have buses with fewer seats.... In 1995 we were told the frequency was to be upped to every 7/8 minutes as part of the 'Rainbow improvements'. Still waiting! And yes my elderly Mother has to stand every Monday morning on the bus to Nottingham whereas she used to get a seat before.
Overall the quality of service is good but there are just too many weaknesses that the travelling public see far too often sadly.
 

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I agree with much of what you say, certainly the Trent drivers, and customer-facing aspects in general, are far better than most other UK bus companies.

My earlier comment about repainting didn't mention Nottingham at all so I'm not sure why that has been brought into it - looking at Wellglade as a whole, they are repainting many buses at present - Calvertons, Comet, Black Cat, Kinch 2 etc and, presumably, those Ruddingtons, the N&D ex-NCTs ........

It appears to me that Trent have even more 'spare' liveried buses now than they have had usually - but then so does NCT I think (don't know, just an impression). The key difference between the two operations is that Wellglade seems to often be struggling for a suitable bus and falls back on the 'any bus is better than no bus' position - whilst very true, it always appears that NCT is far more in control of their resources.

Of course, both are excellent all-round operators and NCT wins numerous awards too. I think Trent just make matters worse for themselves with a strapline that is partly, but not fully, deserved. If only they amended it to be something like 'We aim to be the best bus company.....' then they may well avoid giving the impression of arrogance.

Apologies, I thought you were suggesting that Nottingham's shortage of buses was due to repaints taking place. Currently going through the paint shop are the calverton/Kinch 2 buses, with an extra red Scanias at Sutton to cover, the former NCT deckers, no impact on Trent and the Comet Volvos but they are being covered for by debranded Two Volvos, so no route is short as a result of repaints.

I don't think Trent have any more spares than they have had previously, perhaps they're more noticeable as they carry a variety of liveries rather than a standard Trent Barton livery. I think NCT now brand 1 bus fewer than the PVR with a silver spare making up the numbers to allow for a little more flexibility.

NCT may have more consistent spares due to the fact that the bulk of their fleet is made up of Scania Omnideckers whereas Trent's buying policy has changed a lot over the past few years. NCT's Scanias do have very different specs though so just because it's the same bus mechanically doesn't mean it's a like for like swap.

I do agree that the motto can seem a bit arrogant but it is a good thing to work towards and it must discourage slip-ups as management will only end up with more egg on their face. They're certainly not perfect and perhaps a little more attention to detail could drastically improve the operation. Overcrowding is a big issue for them I think which demonstrates success (against a national trend of decline) and to be fair we have seen capacity increases on Swift, i4, Red Arrow and the Two in recent months which shows some level of proactivness.

My point is that people are quick to criticise Trent wining giving credit where credit is due. They are not perfect but they are better than average which is what they were accused of being. The network and quality of service would look very different had one of the big three taken over but with owners and managers that are passionate about the future of public transport they have created an operator very different to most others seem up and down the UK.
 

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I think NCT now brand 1 bus fewer than the PVR with a silver spare making up the numbers to allow for a little more flexibility.

Yes, most routes (the 39 being an exception I know of, there are more) that have had new buses recently have 1 or 2 (depending on how long the route is) dedicated (in theory) spares to the route due to the fact that the PVR consists of 1 or 2 peak only diagram(s) and so it makes things more flexible if 1 or 2 buses are painted silver.

And regarding the different spec omnidekkas, when allocating non-dedicated spares due to branded vehicles being off the road, I don't think NCT pay much attention to what spec/age the standard buses are.
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Nottingham could be getting some gas powered double deckers! (E400CNGs)

https://www.nctx.co.uk/2015/11/nott...-introduce-82-gas-double-deckers-to-the-city/

Posted on 9th November 2015, in Environment, Investment, New Buses

The city’s award-winning principal bus operator, Nottingham City Transport, is working in partnership with Nottingham City Council to launch a 3-year project which could see Nottingham become the UK’s ‘greenest’ city for public transport.

One new Enviro400 busesNottingham City Transport has applied for a £6.5m grant from the OLEV Low Emission Bus Scheme to complement a £19m investment being made by NCT in order to introduce 82 bio-gas double deckers to the fleet over 3 years from October 2016.

“Gas buses have much less of an impact on the environment compared to the diesel buses we would normally buy,” explains Nottingham City Transport Marketing Manager, Anthony Carver-Smith. “Nitrogen Oxides are lower, as are the sooty particulates emitted, and as we will be using bio-gas, the carbon footprint is incredibly low. This really is a fantastic project that will support the wider efforts and investment made by Nottingham City Council to introduce low emission vehicles to the city.”

DEFRA – The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs – recommended the Nottingham Urban Area needed to consider low emission zones and vehicles to reduce emissions and improve air quality. The introduction of the bio-gas buses will support these aims, building on the electric buses, the tram and the City Council’s ambitions to introduce electric taxis and new charging points for electric cars.

Councillor Nick McDonald, Nottingham City Council’s Portfolio Holder for Jobs, Growth and Transport said: “The City Council and Nottingham City Transport are very excited about this low carbon bus service proposal. It shows our combined ambition to deliver greener and cleaner transport for Nottingham. It will complement our other bids for funding to deliver electric vehicle charging infrastructure and electric taxis, which will improve Nottingham’s air quality, reduce carbon emissions and make the city environment more attractive for residents, businesses and visitors.”

OLEV, or The Office for Low Emission Vehicles, is a team working across Government to support the early market for ultra-low emission vehicles (ULEV). It is providing over £900million to position the UK at the global forefront of ULEV development, manufacture and use. This will contribute to economic growth and will help reduce greenhouse gas emissions and air pollution on UK roads. If approved, the £6.5m NCT has applied for will contribute towards the cost of each bus and the infrastructure cost of installing gas fuelling facilities at NCT’s Parliament Street Garage.

“The new gas buses are likely to be the very first gas double deckers in the UK, which is hugely exciting,” adds Anthony Carver-Smith. “They’ll be ADL Scania buses, so they’ll be of the highest quality and using gas buses will enable our customers to reach the heart of the City on one of the cleanest modes of transport available”.

The Scania chassis for each bus will be assembled in Leyland in Lancashire ahead of the bodying by Alexander Dennis in Scotland. Nottingham based company, Roadgas in Colwick, will supply the infrastructure.

This £25.5m project, rolled out over 3 years, will replace a quarter of NCT’s current fleet, and it’s estimated that there will be 75 million kilograms less Co2 emitted over the lifetime of the vehicles compared to conventional diesel buses. By 2020 Nottingham’s current UK Bus Operator of the Year will aim for every bus to have either a Euro 5 environmentally-friendly engine or be gas-powered, creating one of the lowest-emission fleets in the UK.

A kilogramme of bio-methane gas will be injected into the national gas grid for every kilogramme of gas used by each new bus in the fleet. As such, the entire operation will also qualify for carbon-neutral status.

“Our gas double deckers will be quieter, smoother, and of course cleaner,” says Anthony Carver-Smith. “Every business has a responsibility to do what it can to protect the environment for future generations, so we’ll also be supporting other local businesses to use gas by allowing third parties to use the gas filling station at our depot.”

Councillor Nick McDonald adds, “Providing an integrated, efficient, cost-effective public transport system that has a minimum impact on the environment is vital for the city’s future prosperity and growth. This is a project that will see Nottingham leading the way in the UK and we’re confident other cities will soon follow our example.”

The funding decision will be made by OLEV in January 2016, with the first gas buses on the road by October the same year.
 
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PC1094655/16 - DUNN MOTOR TRACTION LTD T/A YOUR BUS, HEANOR GATE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, HEANOR GATE ROAD, HEANOR, DE75 7RJ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Chilwell and Beeston Interchange given service number S1 effective from 04-Jan-2016.

PC1094655/24 - DUNN MOTOR TRACTION LTD T/A YOUR BUS, HEANOR GATE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, HEANOR GATE ROAD, HEANOR, DE75 7RJ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Chilwell and Nottingham given service number X36 effective from 04-Jan-2016.
 

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Not surprising a car would have to much capacity for most of those journeys. Have used the x36 a few times in the evening and have been the only passenger.
 
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Noticed the usual crisis on Trent while I was out this afternoon.
Solo on the TWO. Single decker on the Centrelink. Huge queues in Victoria Bus Station at 420pm - presumably waiting for the threes - and completely blocking access to the top of the bus station for us rural travellers - blooming Ashfieldites ;)
 
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PC1094655/16 - DUNN MOTOR TRACTION LTD T/A YOUR BUS, HEANOR GATE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, HEANOR GATE ROAD, HEANOR, DE75 7RJ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Chilwell and Beeston Interchange given service number S1 effective from 04-Jan-2016.

PC1094655/24 - DUNN MOTOR TRACTION LTD T/A YOUR BUS, HEANOR GATE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, HEANOR GATE ROAD, HEANOR, DE75 7RJ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Chilwell and Nottingham given service number X36 effective from 04-Jan-2016.

While I'm not surprised to see S1/x36 withdrawn, YB have been registering and deregistering services a lot lately. I almost wonder if someone at YB does not know how to do a variation on VOSAs site. I wonder if it would make sense for the TB18 to go via Bramcote Lane?
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Not surprising a car would have to much capacity for most of those journeys. Have used the x36 a few times in the evening and have been the only passenger.

This reminds me of a comment (maybe in this thread) which stated that Premiere Travel would have lost less on the Red4 if they had simply paid for taxis for the people of Stapleford instead!
 

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While I'm not surprised to see S1/x36 withdrawn, YB have been registering and deregistering services a lot lately. I almost wonder if someone at YB does not know how to do a variation on VOSAs site. I wonder if it would make sense for the TB18 to go via Bramcote Lane?

That is because services have been switched from the old license to a new one a couple of months back, these two cancellations appear to be permanent & not too unexpected judging by comments on loadings
 

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I read this a couple of times before I realised this was only "applied for" - so may not actually happen.


"....Applied for a grant to complement......" - sounds like they're definitely ordering them (or at least some).
 

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"....Applied for a grant to complement......" - sounds like they're definitely ordering them (or at least some).

I agree the wording isn't not definite either way. As these grants usually only pay people to do things they wouldn't have done anyway, and the text was written by a PR person, I'd assume it won't happen unless they get the grant.
 

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It sounded to me as if they're getting new buses anyway. If they get the grant, they'll be bio gas buses.

The article states they would replace 1/4 of the fleet over 3 years which is not far off the normal rate for fleet renewal.
 

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It sounded to me as if they're getting new buses anyway. If they get the grant, they'll be bio gas buses.

The article states they would replace 1/4 of the fleet over 3 years which is not far off the normal rate for fleet renewal.

That seems a reasonable interpretation.
 

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Nottingham's new Smart Card the Robin Hood card is to launch Dec 14th.:D

I've been on the Yourbus y4, Y5 and Nottingham Coaches Link 17 today.
Y4 had 3 of us on it from Nottingham to Stabbo and for the first time for me on Yourbus, the bus looked like the floor had seen a mop! but the cove panels had oil finger prints alllover . Nottingham Coaches Link 17 had a healthy load, lots of cash payers ,including two young ladies both with Pushchairs, the other Vehicle Nottingham Coaches had on the service was a Plaxton Coach, but it was painted Green and white with a Slip board in the window and the name on the front.

I waited for a Y5 at Long Eaton Green letting a Indigo and Skylink go. Just before the y5 pulled up a Indigo which had been parked around the corner near Asda pulled up. Taking most of the passengers waiting at the Green. Myself and another got on the Y5.
 
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Just received this by email from TB
NEW! top-up your adult MANGO on board

We're always looking for ways to make MANGO smarter and easier to use, so after a successful trial, adult MANGOs can be topped up on all of our buses*!



It's really simple, when your credit is low simply tell the driver you wish to top-up and then choose the amount you wish to top-up, which must be at least £10 and a mulitple of £5. There will be a 50p charge added for all on bus top-ups.This will be automatically deducted from your top-up amount.
50p to top up a mango. Really?
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Nottingham's new Smart Card the Robin Hood card is to launch Dec 14th.

Is this just a rebranding of the Kangaroo Citycard? I can't really see much about it except on Nottingham evening post's (awful) website.
 
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