Missing the last train from Berney Arms

[Harlesden]

The last train on weekdays booked to stop on request at Berney Arms is the 17:47 from Great Yarmouth to Norwich calling at Berney Arms - on request - at 17:54.
If an intending passenger at Berney Arms, running as fast as he could to the station, saw this last train disappearing into the distance, could he expect the driver of the following service (30 minutes later) to respond to a desperate passenger frantically waving him down?

 

[WillPS]

Simple answer - no.

 

[crehld]

The last train on weekdays booked to stop on request at Berney Arms is the 17:47 from Great Yarmouth to Norwich calling at Berney Arms - on request - at 17:54.
If an intending passenger at Berney Arms, running as fast as he could to the station, saw this last train disappearing into the distance, could he expect the driver of the following service (30 minutes later) to respond to a desperate passenger frantically waving him down?

Why not simply ensure you get to the station in time?

 

[306024]

Like to see anyone try to run fast across that cow field

 

[SPADTrap]

The last train on weekdays booked to stop on request at Berney Arms is the 17:47 from Great Yarmouth to Norwich calling at Berney Arms - on request - at 17:54.
If an intending passenger at Berney Arms, running as fast as he could to the station, saw this last train disappearing into the distance, could he expect the driver of the following service (30 minutes later) to respond to a desperate passenger frantically waving him down?

The issue may arise from that train's crew not being prepared to stop there if not booked to, seeing a passenger franticly waving will likely trigger an emergency stop from the driver fearing something or someone may be on the line ahead, I'd doubt the train will end up correctly platformed in these circumstances, although I do not sign this particular route.

The clue is in the 'last train' bit I think, find another means of transport or contact the TOC and see if they are prepared to stop a following service by means of a 'Special Stop Order' but this is by no means guaranteed! I guess it depends on circumstances but really its a situation a grown adult should really avoid getting into IMO.

 

[theironroad]

The issue may arise from that train's crew not being prepared to stop there if not booked to, seeing a passenger franticly waving will likely trigger an emergency stop from the driver fearing something or someone may be on the line ahead, I'd doubt the train will end up correctly platformed in these circumstances, although I do not sign this particular route.

The clue is in the 'last train' bit I think, find another means of transport or contact the TOC and see if they are prepared to stop a following service by means of a 'Special Stop Order' but this is by no means guaranteed! I guess it depends on circumstances but really its a situation a grown adult should really avoid getting into IMO.

Probably not the best place to miss the last train, but missing trains happens, except some of the oh so perfect on here who are never late for anything.

However, as mentioned 'frantically waving' would signify to the driver there is a possible emergency ahead, think railway children film without the red clothes....

I'd think if you can get hold of the TOC control,Twitter etc, they would probably put a stop order on a following train, only because of the nature of where the station is. Not sure if that pub has a b&b attached otherwise!

Edit: just looked at Wikipedia and it seems to say the pub closed in 2015....

 

[ainsworth74]

Probably not the best place to miss the last train, but missing trains happens, except some of the oh so perfect on here who are never late for anything.

I'm not sure it has anything to do with 'perfection'. I am by no means perfect but you can bet you bottom dollar that if I was getting the last train from somewhere as remote as Berney Arms my entire days plan would include sufficient allowance to require the start of a zombie apocalypse in order for me to miss it.

Perhaps the passenger needs to take a modicum of responsibility for themselves?

I do agree, however, that if such a passenger made themselves known to the TOC via Twitter or phone call that a SSO would probably be granted. But no expectation of that could be held I feel which brings me back to the personal responsibility issue.

 

[JB_B]

Probably not the best place to miss the last train, but missing trains happens, except some of the oh so perfect on here who are never late for anything.

However, as mentioned 'frantically waving' would signify to the driver there is a possible emergency ahead, think railway children film without the red clothes....

I'd think if you can get hold of the TOC control,Twitter etc, they would probably put a stop order on a following train, only because of the nature of where the station is. Not sure if that pub has a b&b attached otherwise!

Edit: just looked at Wikipedia and it seems to say the pub closed in 2015....

It does take a bit longer from the river than you'd think so allow plenty of time.

When I dropped by in Autumn 2014 the pub had sadly already shut it's doors for the last time but it was a fantastic sunny day and as a bonus the mill was open ( opened specially, I think, for a troop of inspectors from something like the heritage lottery fund who'd come on the same train as us - I've never seen that platform so busy).

If I missed the train I'd just start trudging eastwards (but if you were totally stuck I'm sure contacting the TOC would be the right course of action rather than the 'frantic waving'.)

 

[SPADTrap]

Probably not the best place to miss the last train, but missing trains happens, except some of the oh so perfect on here who are never late for anything.

Why is it that whenever there is a hint of 'take responsibility for yourself' such a defensive stance is taken? :roll:

 

[D1009]

You'd probably have more luck flagging down a passing boat.

 

[306024]

When I dropped by in Autumn 2014 the pub had sadly already shut it's doors for the last time.......

And then re-opened them for Summer 2015, although the prognosis for this summer doesn't sound promising.

 

[JB_B]

And then re-opened them for Summer 2015, although the prognosis for this summer doesn't sound promising.

Yes, you're right - shame I missed that. It looked pretty terminal in Oct 2014 when I visited (see attached).

The last I heard is that it's recently been sold as a private residence.

 

[bnm]

The last I heard is that it's recently been sold as a private residence.

Change of use to 'private residence' was refused by the Broads Authority Planning Committee in September 2015.

Latest listing with estate agents shows it is 'Under Offer' as a freehold pub business.

 

[lejog]

The last train on weekdays booked to stop on request at Berney Arms is the 17:47 from Great Yarmouth to Norwich calling at Berney Arms - on request - at 17:54.
If an intending passenger at Berney Arms, running as fast as he could to the station, saw this last train disappearing into the distance, could he expect the driver of the following service (30 minutes later) to respond to a desperate passenger frantically waving him down?

The train 30mins later goes via Acle not Berney Arms. If having missed the 17:54 you set off walking at a reasonable rate you should catch the next train from Yarmouth that runs via Berney Arms at Reedham (19:01) or failing that the next service from Lowestoft (19:11).

 

[JB_B]

Change of use to 'private residence' was refused by the Broads Authority Planning Committee in September 2015.

Interesting - thanks. I can't see any sign of that decision being appealed but equally I've not seen anything to suggest a community group have come forward during the ACV window (it's a big ask). Does that mean the current owner might try opening ( occasionally ) again in the summer just to mitigate his losses?

 

[bnm]

Interesting - thanks. I can't see any sign of that decision being appealed but equally I've not seen anything to suggest a community group have come forward during the ACV window (it's a big ask). Does that mean the current owner might try opening ( occasionally ) again in the summer just to mitigate his losses?

I edited my post to include the detail that the pub business was 'Under Offer'. So it appears there's a buyer.

http://www.twgaze.co.uk/licensed-tr...price=200000&tenuretype=1&submit=submit#block

Attached is the brochure.

 

[urbophile]

Like to see anyone try to run fast across that cow field

Depends whether you were being chased by a bull or not.

 

[6Gman]

The last train on weekdays booked to stop on request at Berney Arms is the 17:47 from Great Yarmouth to Norwich calling at Berney Arms - on request - at 17:54.
If an intending passenger at Berney Arms, running as fast as he could to the station, saw this last train disappearing into the distance, could he expect the driver of the following service (30 minutes later) to respond to a desperate passenger frantically waving him down?

If you've missed the train you've missed the train. Whether that's by a minute or by an hour.

And however fast you ran ...

 

[RichmondCommu]

Depends whether you were being chased by a bull or not.

Or if Farmer Giles has a shot gun and he's chasing you.

 

[Doctor Fegg]

The last train on weekdays booked to stop on request at Berney Arms is the 17:47 from Great Yarmouth to Norwich calling at Berney Arms - on request - at 17:54.

I think I can beat that.

I once "missed" the bus from Leicester to Bisbrooke, Rutland. The bus ran only on the second Wednesday of the month. 31 days to wait until the next one.

I say "missed" because the bus was timetabled to depart from stand I at Haymarket Bus Station. There is no stand I - there's an H and a J, but no I. The bus was shown on local timetables in Bisbrooke but wasn't on the screens at Haymarket. There was a mysterious, unmarked white coach at another stand with no passengers on which I now suspect was the one I should have caught, but with no markings how would I know?

Fortunately, there was a bus every two hours to Uppingham, and from there it was just 20 minutes' walk over the fields back to Bisbrooke!

 

[dk1]

As a driver on that route the answer is most definatley NO. It's an hour to the next train, the 18:47 from Yarmouth, & line speed would be 60mph as opposed to 10mph for a 'request' stop. These days no traincrew would make additional calls under their own authority. It's a thing of the past.

 

[Robertj21a]

As a driver on that route the answer is most definatley NO. It's an hour to the next train, the 18:47 from Yarmouth, & line speed would be 60mph as opposed to 10mph for a 'request' stop. These days no traincrew would make additional calls under their own authority. It's a thing of the past.

Quite right too. If someone can't get to a station (anywhere) in time for a scheduled departure then they have to take responsibility for themselves and, presumably, start walking.

 

[Kite159]

Beware the field around the station is quite rough (and flooded at the moment), you don't really want to be running across it

Nor standing around on the tiny platform as there be no seating (other than some bike racks!)

 

[Tio Terry]

Can you get a mobile phone signal at Berney Arms? Last time I was there (2000) I couldn't. There used to be a public telephone beside the station but the wires for that were carried by the British Rail telegraph poles from Reedham - I worked on them in 1964 - so I doubt they are still in use. Perhaps there are some other communications in the area now, if not it would be difficult to get it contact with the TOC.

 

[NSEFAN]

You can always walk to Great Yarmouth. Only takes a couple of hours...

 

[pitdiver]

Can you get a mobile phone signal at Berney Arms? Last time I was there (2000) I couldn't. There used to be a public telephone beside the station but the wires for that were carried by the British Rail telegraph poles from Reedham - I worked on them in 1964 - so I doubt they are still in use. Perhaps there are some other communications in the area now, if not it would be difficult to get it contact with the TOC.

My wife and I are very regular visitors to the Broads. The quality of mobile phone signal in the area are still pretty grim. Sometimes when sailing on the Northern Rivers we have been unable to get a signal for a couple of days.

 

[crehld]

You can always walk to Great Yarmouth. Only takes a couple of hours...

And quite a pleasant walk too, weather permitting...

 

[Tio Terry]

And quite a pleasant walk too, weather permitting...

Back in the 1960's, when I worked for British Rail, we carried out maintenance work to the telegraph pole route over this line. You got off the train at Reedham Junction, Berney Arms or Gt Yarmouth and walked! I've walked the entire route at some time or the other, yes, during the summer it's quite pleasant, but during the winter it's not! Horizontal rain driven by harsh winds make it a most inhospitable place.

 

[DarloRich]

contact the TOC and see if they are prepared to stop a following service by means of a 'Special Stop Order' but this is by no means guaranteed! I guess it depends on circumstances but really its a situation a grown adult should really avoid getting into IMO.

That is going to be your best bet surely. Somewhere like Berney Arms they might be accommodating but there can be no guarantees

 

[Kite159]

Can you get a mobile phone signal at Berney Arms? Last time I was there (2000) I couldn't. There used to be a public telephone beside the station but the wires for that were carried by the British Rail telegraph poles from Reedham - I worked on them in 1964 - so I doubt they are still in use. Perhaps there are some other communications in the area now, if not it would be difficult to get it contact with the TOC.

I was there yesterday and had 3.5G (H+) for my mobile data signal, on tesco (using O2).

Quite surprised, I was expecting 2G at best