Hull Trains 180 on fire again.

[LowLevel]

I would love to know the technical side of how this fleet remains in traffic but 180113 is on fire at Grantham station with the 2030 Kings Cross to Hull, train and station evacuated and fire service in attendance.

 

[High Dyke]

At the rate they combust they may not remain that long... Certainly they take some hammer on the ECML, especially flat out from Peterborough, over Stoke Summit and plunge down to Grantham for a station stop. It can't really do them much good.

 

[Failed Unit]

I see they were already planning cancellations next week because of a shortage of sets. Guess the number of cancellations is about to increase.

 

[father_jack]

1H07 2030 Kings Cross - Hull 180113 is the train concerned. Flames & smoke from bogie area of coach 55913. Grantham station has been evacuated. Reported that "embers" are dripping down onto the track bed (take that as you wish !!!). As said above 1A97 1912 HUL-KGX caped also after yesterdays shenanigans.

 

[Saint66]

OHLE has been switched off while staff assess the damage caused by the fire.

 

[theblackwatch]

This is only a matter of days since 180109 failed causing a collapse of the timetable on the ECML. Not good!

 

[humbersidejim]

Why do the GC sets not seem to experience a similar amount of fires?
Different maintenance regime? Lower utilisation? Luck?

Those 802s can't come soon enough. In the meantime they really should be considering off lease HSTs if at all possible - can the operation stand another 18 months of this?

 

[NoOnesFool]

Why do the GC sets not seem to experience a similar amount of fires?
Different maintenance regime? Lower utilisation? Luck?

Those 802s can't come soon enough. In the meantime they really should be considering off lease HSTs if at all possible - can the operation stand another 18 months of this?

Jim, the prospect of HSTs has already been discussed on here. The HSTs would probably not be able to keep to Class 180 timings and the additional crew training - combined with the outstanding 802 training, would make HSTs infeasible. Something like utlilising the stock to 'close' the fleet at Crofton might be a better idea.

 

[infobleep]

I see the 21:33 Euston go Leeds is running with a 2 hour 22 minute delay. It's skipping Wakefield.

The 22:00 Euston to Newcastle is 2 hours 9 minutes late, with no stops being skipped. This is from looking at Grantham departures right now.

I'm sure there are others running delayed, which don't stop at Grantham not to mention those delayed earlier.

So yes it has lead to major disruption.

 

[jon0844]

1D32 (2033 KGX to Leeds) had to have an ambulance at Grantham, presumably unrelated to the fire.

 

[gnolife]

I see the 21:33 Euston go Leeds is running with a 2 hour 22 minute delay. It's skipping Wakefield.

The 22:00 Euston to Newcastle is 2 hours 9 minutes late, with no stops being skipped. This is from looking at Grantham departures right now.

I'm sure there are others running delayed, which don't stop at Grantham not to mention those delayed earlier.

So yes it has lead to major disruption.

Unless I'm missing sometbing, shouldnt both those services be from Kings Cross, not Euston?

 

[londonboi198o5]

I see the 21:33 Euston go Leeds is running with a 2 hour 22 minute delay. It's skipping Wakefield.

The 22:00 Euston to Newcastle is 2 hours 9 minutes late, with no stops being skipped. This is from looking at Grantham departures right now.

I'm sure there are others running delayed, which don't stop at Grantham not to mention those delayed earlier.

So yes it has lead to major disruption.

I think you mean kings cross

 

[causton]

1D32 (2033 KGX to Leeds) had to have an ambulance at Grantham, presumably unrelated to the fire.

"Cause: 1D32 waiting ambulance due to a collapsed passenger." - doesn't sound like it is fire related, but no doubt did not help!

 

[jon0844]

The train is now in the sidings and the track inspection shows it will be okay for trains in the morning. Apparently a loose clamp on the turbo, prompting a check on another set at Hull before it enters service later.

 

[jon0844]

Who gets the bill for the delay minutes on this one? Almost 2000 minutes in total.

Seems like the 180s are good at burning through the cash!

 

[Pete_uk]

I remember them fondly from the fgw days. It's a shame they have suffered like they have.

 

[Polarbear]

Not a good week for Hull Trains. Things had improved since the issues they experienced earlier in the year. Hopefully, these problems can be ironed out quickly & things can get back to normal soon.

As for using alternative trains to cover for HT 180's, the only realistic option would be to hire in a GC 180. There's no way HST's would be used, partially because of the resource needed to train crews (when they'll soon start training on IET's), as well as availability of suitable HST's.

 

[humbersidejim]

Jim, the prospect of HSTs has already been discussed on here. The HSTs would probably not be able to keep to Class 180 timings and the additional crew training - combined with the outstanding 802 training, would make HSTs infeasible. Something like utlilising the stock to 'close' the fleet at Crofton might be a better idea.

Thanks for the explanation. Could you tell me a bit more about what you mean by closing the fleet at Crofton?

A difficult week ahead for HT.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

A full hire in set like GC did with the 67s a few weeks back perhaps?

With two sets down they are going to have a severely reduced service. Is there a minimum they have to run before they are made to stop selling allocated tickets?

 

[robbeech]

in the entertainment industry, particularly in audio we see different brands of loudspeaker used by different companies. Many companies use the same stuff as it’s what people want and it does the job.
If I tour through places with a band and use other people’s stuff I can use exactly the same combination of desk amps and speakers from 5 or 6 different companies and some will work well, and a couple will have issues. The issues will be down to how the system has been maintained. There are certain companies I dread having to use for this because I know they don’t look after their stuff to try to save costs.

I can’t see any other reason for the regular failures of Hull Trains trains, as other people with the same units don’t suffer anywhere near as much.

This has been going on far too long now, I’m genuinely surprised they’ve managed to stay afloat.

The key thing here of course is that whilst it has once again caused delay minutes that will potentially outweigh any profit they may have made yesterday that they managed to evacuate people and there were no injuries.

 

[humbersidejim]

The 0823 Hull-KGX was also cancelled this morning due to another failure. At this moment in time it appears they have *no* units in service.

 

[Kite159]

It's never dull with Hull trains

 

[HH]

I remember them fondly from the fgw days. It's a shame they have suffered like they have.

They had fires at GW too...

 

[Starmill]

The 0823 Hull-KGX was also cancelled this morning due to another failure. At this moment in time it appears they have *no* units in service.

Their website says that they plan to run the 1531 from Hull to London and the 1948 back working. That would seem to be it.

 

[Gerald Fiennes]

The HT emergency timetable looks like it's based on set in traffic today, two tomorrow. Oh dear! They worked just fine a few years back with HT so I'm sure they'll be able to recover things after a few weeks.

 

[F Great Eastern]

All trains out of service now. One will be back in service later.

Only the 15:31 to London and 19:48 to Hull are running today.

05.57 Beverley to London King's Cross - is cancelled
08.23 Hull to London King's Cross - is cancelled
10.33 Hull to London King's Cross - is cancelled
13.31 Hull to London King's Cross - is cancelled
18.34 Hull to London King's Cross - is cancelled

07.26 London King's Cross to Hull - is cancelled
09.48 London King's Cross to Hull - is cancelled
11.46 London King's Cross to Hull - is cancelled
14.48 London King's Cross to Hull - is cancelled
17.48 London King's Cross to Beverley - is cancelled

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Is there a minimum service requirement for them to retain their operation licence?

Surely they are going to have to consider hiring in traction, they can't just rely on passing off their passengers onto Northern/LNER until their damaged sets are back in action.

 

[185]

I'm sure the root cause was probably mentioned in some obscure thread about five years ago, but any speculation as to a recurring reason the 180s are spontaneously combusting? Was it leaves getting in or a build up of some sort of combustible fluid?

 

[humbersidejim]

Is there a minimum service requirement for them to retain their operation licence?

Surely they are going to have to consider hiring in traction, they can't just rely on passing off their passengers onto Northern/LNER until their damaged sets are back in action.

In the past they hired GC 180s with some regularity. That hasn't occurred since GC retired their HSTs and began their own 180 refurb programme.

 

[Statto]

I see the 21:33 Euston go Leeds is running with a 2 hour 22 minute delay. It's skipping Wakefield.

The 22:00 Euston to Newcastle is 2 hours 9 minutes late, with no stops being skipped. This is from looking at Grantham departures right now.

I'm sure there are others running delayed, which don't stop at Grantham not to mention those delayed earlier.

So yes it has lead to major disruption.

Also 1E29, 19.36 Edinburgh-Kings Cross terminated at Newark at 00.22, 75 late. that would have been fun with that being the last southbound train to Kings Cross