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Highland37

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I am on the 1725 service Inverness to Glasgow.

It's a two car 158.
The train is filthy.
The platform was changed 3 times.
The HST which was supposed to be on the service, is sat at platform 3 and has been allocated to staff training. This decision was taken at 1720.
The 158 is filthy, packed, noisy and totally inadequate. The 80s live on.

What an absolute shambles and entirely the fault of Scotrail, wabtec and abellio.
 
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I am on the 1725 service Inverness to Glasgow.

It's a two car 158.
The train is filthy.
The platform was changed 3 times.
The HST which was supposed to be on the service, is sat at platform 3 and has been allocated to staff training. This decision was taken at 1720.
The 158 is filthy, packed, noisy and totally inadequate. The 80s live on.

What an absolute shambles and entirely the fault of Scotrail, wabtec and abellio.

Oh yes, the 0845 Inverness-Glasgow was a 158 today as well. It wasn't filthy but very full and a few minutes late at Perth.

- They didn't bother to hold the Edinburgh connection for the sake of three minutes, with the result that Edinburgh passengers had to travel on to Stirling.

- The next Perth to Glasgow service was cancelled into the bargain.

- The Inverness train always picks up a lot at Gleneagles, Dunblane and Bridge of Allan so you can imagine the state we were in by the time we got to Stirling.

- And then more got on.

- To cap it all the frontmost LH door of the unit was faulty meaning that the entire load of the leading coach had to leave by one door at Queen Street.
 

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158s are utter junk. A few weeks ago there was less noise at 183mph in France than at 50 in the 80s time warp that is Scotrail today.

Tomorrow I will be in Austria travelling by OBB and I would put money on it being many times better than UK railways.

Ironically I am trying to get to the Abellio website to apply for a job but the WiFi on their train is broken
 

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I'm afraid for Aberdeen I've started using coaches much of the time. The journey time is not much more, it's half the price, and you actually get a seat.
 

Highland37

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Just passing the North bound service at Carrbridge. It is a 158 also. Shocking service.
 

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Waverley is managed by Network Rail so ultimately it would be up to them to invest in the station. On the other hand, Haymarket is managed by Scotrail. So I would imagine it would be up to Scotrail management to invest in Haymarket.

Regardless of whether the station is managed by NR or Scotrail, capital investment will be down to NR.
BTW, does NR own Waverley Steps? I don't know..
 

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Queen Street is a grim experience at the moment but there is a Scotrail refreshments stall where the George Square exit used to be and two(?) other wee coffee stalls on the concourse. I don't think any of them sell newspapers right enough. Maybe they have gone since I was there at the start of December, the layout seems to move every time I'm there!

There is AMT coffee , luckie beans coffee and the Scotrail stall . Better off buying outwith the station.
 

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Do the 158s on Inverness/Aberdeen to Glasgow/Edinburgh services have seat reservations ?

Does not seem that many HSTS are running .
 

Highland37

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Didn't tonight as no time to put them in place Unit arrived and left 3 minutes later
 

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Regardless of whether the station is managed by NR or Scotrail, capital investment will be down to NR.
BTW, does NR own Waverley Steps? I don't know..

Prior to the roof being built it was a complicated combination of ownership by Network Rail, Balmoral Hotel, Princes Mall and technically constituting a Road for which the Highway Authority had responsibility (Footpaths can legally be "Roads" in Scotland under the Roads Scotland Act 1984).

It is though certainly Network Rail who have the ongoing responsibility for maintenance of the Step Canopy.

SQUIRE and the Scotrail Franchise agreement do not have any role in maintenance or cleanliness at Waverley Station though as Scotrail are not lead operator.

SQUIRE also doesn't apply to Glasgow Central station or Prestwick International Airport station. I believe it does now apply to Lockerbie and Dunbar though.
 

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I went into Glasgow City Centre today on a class 318 and it was on time both there and back - must be very local disruption
 

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A bit of communication on the subject of training, and more apologies of course, but it would have been more helpful if he'd expanded a little on the other half of the problem and a timescale for its resolution, which is the lack of serviceable or suitable stock.

I can't find the statement on the Scotrail website by the way, but I'm on the mobile version, maybe that's what's wrong?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46769042

ScotRail has apologised to customers for what it has described as its "unacceptable service".

The rail operator said it had fallen below the standard expected, but warned customers that disruption would be "ongoing for the foreseeable future".

It follows widespread complaints about cancellations, delays and overcrowded carriages.

Those issues prompted ministers to issue ScotRail with an eight-week improvement order last month.

In a statement published on ScotRail's website, managing director Alex Hynes said: "We are very sorry to ScotRail customers for our unacceptable service in parts of the country recently.

"While our teams work hard every day to deliver the service you demand, the reality is that we've fallen below the standard you expect and deserve."

Mr Hynes repeated previous claims that problems with training drivers and conductors on new trains and routes had led to cancellations on some services.

He also cited the late delivery of trains by suppliers, including Hitachi and Wabtec, and an overtime ban with the RMT union.

He added: "We are working flat out to train conductors and drivers on Scotland's railway so that we can return services to normal. But that will still take several weeks.

"Since 9 December we have trained 60 drivers and conductors, which is good progress, although we know we need to do more.

"But training will still take several weeks, and that means disruption will be ongoing for the foreseeable future."

In December, Transport Secretary Michael Matheson ordered ScotRail to submit a remedial plan outlining how it planned to address performance issues related to services around Edinburgh, Fife and the Borders.

It comes after ScotRail introduced a new timetable on 9 December, which had promised 100 new services and faster trains.

Mr Hynes, who is managing director of ScotRail Alliance - a partnership between Abellio ScotRail and Network Rail - confirmed that the operator would comply with the Scottish government's order.
 

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A bit of communication on the subject of training, and more apologies of course, but it would have been more helpful if he'd expanded a little on the other half of the problem and a timescale for its resolution, which is the lack of serviceable or suitable stock.

I can't find the statement on the Scotrail website by the way, but I'm on the mobile version, maybe that's what's wrong?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46769042

It seems he just has no real answers and is hoping for the best. No admission that this is in large part down to understaffing in the first place. I do feel for him tho. But it's not a job you take on without full expectation of scrutiny.
 

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I can't find the statement on the Scotrail website by the way, but I'm on the mobile version, maybe that's what's wrong?

Here it is.

https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/news/we-are-sorry

ScotRail said:
Saturday, 5 January 2019
We are very sorry to ScotRail customers for our unacceptable service in parts of the country recently.

While our teams work hard every day to deliver the service you demand, the reality is that we’ve fallen below the standard you expect and deserve.

While it doesn’t excuse what has happened, here are the challenges we have faced:
  • Daily services have had to be cancelled to allow our drivers and conductors to be trained on new trains and new routes before they can operate services safely
  • The late delivery of trains by suppliers, including Hitachi and Wabtec, means there has been very limited time available for driver and conductor training
  • An overtime and rest day working ban, now resolved, by the RMT trade union made the training problems worse
We are working flat out to train conductors and drivers on Scotland’s railway so that we can return services to normal. But that will still take several weeks. Since 9 December we have trained 60 drivers and conductors, which is good progress, although we know we need to do more.

But training will still take several weeks, and that means disruption will be ongoing for the foreseeable future.

Customers are advised to check before travelling, by downloading the ScotRail app, checking @ScotRail on Twitter, or visiting journeycheck.com/ScotRail.

We know you deserve better. The entire ScotRail Alliance - a partnership between ScotRail and Network Rail Scotland - is focused on delivering that and we will give you a better service.

Alex Hynes
Managing Director, ScotRail Alliance
 

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I went into Glasgow City Centre today on a class 318 and it was on time both there and back - must be very local disruption

It is. If you are in SPT DOO-land you'd barely notice there was a problem (except Glasgow Queen Street - Springburn - Cumbernauld).
 

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I for one am happy to read that Scotrail are naming other parties as part of the problem.

There is very little else they can do.
 

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Its a bland " A big boy did it and ran away" type statement full of apologies but no detail or timescales. Frankly worthless but about what I'd expect from Scotrail.
 

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Also Transport Scotland and the Transport Minister (if he's still alive) haven't helped one bit by taking their eye off the ball. It's almost as though they have stepped back and let Scotrail hang themselves ......
 

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Isn't the whole point of franchising to let the franchise to people who know what they are doing, do it?

99% of the problems and issues facing Scotrail are internal to the railway and not caused by politicians.
 

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Surely the decision to refurb the HSTs and go to Hitachi for new trains for EGIP weren't exclusively Abellio's decisions though?
 

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Sitting on the Stagecoach bus going in to Aberdeen laughing that my train has been cancelled. Happens every single weekend. Glad I never went to the station then but of course I know better now!
 

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It is. If you are in SPT DOO-land you'd barely notice there was a problem (except Glasgow Queen Street - Springburn - Cumbernauld).

I'd have to disagree there. I am in SPT-DOO land on the North Clyde line and for large parts of the evening peak it's pretty poor. Barely an evening goes by with short formations, delays through the Partick-Hyndland section of the track and services either skipping stops or being turned back before their final destination. Congestion is one of the excuses routinely trotted out on Journeycheck and it has been this way for months. It's actually hard to think of a part of the franchise which is performing well at the moment.
 

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Surely the decision to refurb the HSTs and go to Hitachi for new trains for EGIP weren't exclusively Abellio's decisions though?

I think it was Abellio's idea and suggestion including how the refurbishment programme would happen.

TS awarded the contract very much on the basis of quality of which the HSTs were part
 

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I'd have to disagree there. I am in SPT-DOO land on the North Clyde line and for large parts of the evening peak it's pretty poor. Barely an evening goes by with short formations, delays through the Partick-Hyndland section of the track and services either skipping stops or being turned back before their final destination. Congestion is one of the excuses routinely trotted out on Journeycheck and it has been this way for months. It's actually hard to think of a part of the franchise which is performing well at the moment.

I'll also disagree with that as I regularly commute on the Argyle Line which faces the same issues at the Partick Hyndland section.

Numerous short formations, cancellations and short stopping. All is definitely not well in SPT-DOO land.
 

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I think it was Abellio's idea and suggestion including how the refurbishment programme would happen.

TS awarded the contract very much on the basis of quality of which the HSTs were part

There does not seem to be very much if anything the Scottish government are in charge of that is a glowing success now . And ditto the Westminster government.

We are poorly served by our elected representatives. Professional politicians. Zero business skill !

I sense Abellio will throw in the towel. They have failed at every level. Stations and trains are dirty. Over crowding has Not gone away. Trains no faster or slower. New timetable mixed at best. No goodwill from staff or customers or politicians. Games up. I would rule them out of future franchise bids if the system will continue. It's a busted model sooner it's scrapped the better.
 

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I for one, don't want business people running the country.

The majority of business people I know would not last a day in social work where I used to be employed.
 
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