Do charter operators get compensated to the same extent as TOCs when their trains are delayed?
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Do charter operators get compensated to the same extent as TOCs when their trains are delayed?
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Dr Hoo
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The Charter regime works in rather a different way to franchised TOCs (where the parameters are around average lateness at Monitoring Points across Service Groups over a 4-week period). As with the freight regimes there is a 'flat rate' related to delay over distance operated.
Both types of regime use 'benchmarks' of 'expected' performance with 'bonuses' or 'penalties' depending on whether actual performance is better or worse than benchmark.
So, it is not the "same extent" but overall a charter operator can be compensated for delays (and cancellations) caused by Network Rail or other operators.
Despite the skepticism there is a real regime.
DanDaDriver
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They’re at it again....See also this video taken from the cess (of all places)
https://twitter.com/cloggingchris/status/1125038666643120128?s=21
The_Train
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No doubt the same people who cause these problems will be the ones to vent their anger first when Flying Scotsman is taken off the mainline
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That tweet has been deleted.
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The police can always ask twitter for the video.
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The video showed Flying Scotsman being filmed from the cess (Quite some way from a position of safety by the looks of it) as the camera panned to follow the train it showed another 4/5 people stood with the person filming in various positions and some closer to the running line.
The_Train
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Isn't it an on-going issue with law enforcement agencies and the fact that social media companies don't seem to have to comply with these sorts of requests?
randyrippley
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be a good use for a Pacer......run it ahead of the charter stuffed full of police officers. Anyone on the track gets arrested
I’ve just got on a Paignton train at Exeter St David’s and just heard them announce that a Cross Country service is running over 100 minutes late due to a trespassing incident.
I’m assuming this due to the above?
I’m assuming this due to the above?
I was at Reading earlier and a Cross Country service to Newcastle was announced as cancelled due to an earlier trespass incident. It looks as though the inbound working to form the service was turned back short at Oxford.
Was that the Glasgow to Plymouth? If so, yes, though that train was also already delayed due to various other reasons. I was on it earlier today.
Dren Ahmeti
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Thankfully for TVSC and the platform staff at Paddington, they ran it back ECS (empty) to Southall from Reading, avoiding the huge throng of people that would’ve congregated at Paddington!
johnnychips
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There seem to have been several delays today for different reasons:
- the XC train from Sheffield to Plymouth at about 1255 was delayed due to a ‘broken rail’ by about 25 mins. Not sure if you were on this one, Yorkie.
- shenanigans due to the Flying Scotsman. Must say I travelled from Donny to Sheffield just in advance of it, and there were lots of photographers and sightseers but none where they shouldn’t have been
- there have been many delays between Newcastle and Durham early evening, again due to trespassing, but evidently not the Flying Scotsman.
I’m sure people will have better info than me, but just pointing out the XC delays are not due to one cause.
- the XC train from Sheffield to Plymouth at about 1255 was delayed due to a ‘broken rail’ by about 25 mins. Not sure if you were on this one, Yorkie.
- shenanigans due to the Flying Scotsman. Must say I travelled from Donny to Sheffield just in advance of it, and there were lots of photographers and sightseers but none where they shouldn’t have been
- there have been many delays between Newcastle and Durham early evening, again due to trespassing, but evidently not the Flying Scotsman.
I’m sure people will have better info than me, but just pointing out the XC delays are not due to one cause.
That reminds me of the old "Q" train which was a DMU bubble car which used to run through areas of high trespass and vandalism which was exactly as you say stuffed full of police officers waiting to catch any offenders red handed!
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I wouldn't be against this (As long as it was safe for the police to do) as there is no justification to trespassing, its just wrong.
And who wouldn't want to see either a 121 or 142 and the Scotsman on the same day (or at least I'm guessing you're talking about the Class 121... bubble car
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pdeaves
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Would a pacer be big enough for all the people involved? Maybe an HST or 442 would do the job!
randyrippley
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easy to take all the seats out of a pacer so you can pack more crims in, and no end doors for them to jump out of. Maybe a better option would be a 37 with a couple of GUVs.............the 37 would draw more photographers in and make them easier to grabWould a pacer be big enough for all the people involved? Maybe an HST or 442 would do the job!
Elecman
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Would a pacer be big enough for all the people involved? Maybe an HST or 442 would do the job!
Indeed and have a few railway staff who are magistrates ( so who know the issues) on board for instant application of justice
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Judge Mark from head office...
The 1255 ex Sheffield was 22 late at Sheffield and 106 late at Birmingham (about 20 minutes was lost going around the back to Chesterfield).
The Nottingham to Cardiff service in front of the Flying Scotsman took 70 mins between Burton and Tamworth (10 min journey) so it sounds like some people where a bit more line side than they should of been.
I think it probably was.
It would’ve been due into Exeter at 18: something or other.
All of this reflects very badly on railway enthusiasts as a whole, regardless of the fact that most people on here couldn’t give a monkeys about Scotsman.
It’s unfortunate that this machine seems to bring out the railway equivalent of the Paparazzi whenever it hits the rails.
What can be done about this? It’s becoming a big problem...
At one point 8 trains were at a stand around Tamworth and crews were being verbally abused by people when asking them to move.
It's a national asset so put it back in it's box or restrict it to preserved lines. It's not worth the disruption that it causes wherever it goes.
I am a passionate supporter of our railway heritage but this particular loco has become an unacceptable risk to the railway network.
Failing that - do as suggested above and go for some headlines. Take a train out in front using the police that are having to man stations instead, detain all trespassers forcibly if necessary, push for the strongest possible penalties in court and make sure it makes the press.
It's a national asset so put it back in it's box or restrict it to preserved lines. It's not worth the disruption that it causes wherever it goes.
I am a passionate supporter of our railway heritage but this particular loco has become an unacceptable risk to the railway network.
Failing that - do as suggested above and go for some headlines. Take a train out in front using the police that are having to man stations instead, detain all trespassers forcibly if necessary, push for the strongest possible penalties in court and make sure it makes the press.
You must really hate our police force
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