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Landslip Weaver Junction

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Currently there's a Landslip at Weaver Junction which is resulting all lines being closed today so repairs can be carried out, Avanti Trains cant run via Runcorn at the moment so Buses are replacing trains from Lime Street-Crewe via Runcorn apparently at the moment until further notice.

London Northwestern have got buses running between Liverpool South Parkway and Crewe calling at all statioins.
 
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The 0526 LIV-EUS Avanti service went via Chat Moss by the looks of it?

40 odd late at Crewe.
 

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Saw a video of a Caledonian Sleeper service being diverted through Manchester Piccadilly platform 14
 

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BBC report https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-shropshire-51677300:
Landslip to affect rail services until end of day
A landslip in Cheshire will affect rail services in and our(sic) of Crewe until the end of the day.

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Avanti West Coast and London Northwestern Railway services are affected as emergency repairs are carried out. Cancellations and diversions should be expected.
better picture on NR site here: https://www.networkrailmediacentre....west-coast-main-line-near-warrington-to-close
 
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I wonder if Scottish services will get diverted via Manchester Piccadilly at some point today?
Looking on Avanti live journey checker thing, some services are running through Warrington but are being heavily delayed. The Glasgow to London fast from Warrington services seem to be running Glasgow - Preston and Crewe to Euston.
 

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Just seen the pictures. Network Rail will have their work cut out getting this back together. I would think the train services will be down most of the week.
 

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First 3 Liverpool-Euston services went via Chat Moss, 40-50 minutes late at Crewe.
RTT has the 0748 on the normal route to Sutton Weaver which might be an error*.
0847/0947 cancelled (incoming trains still en route).
Something will have to give with too many trains trying to get through Piccadilly.
Routing via Chester might be the best option**.

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* It seems this train did run via the normal route, but lost an hour between Weaver Jn and Crewe, probably navigating single line working over Dutton viaduct.

** I meant the passengers should divert (Merseyrail or TfW) not the trains!
It's on the ticket acceptance alternatives.

Many London-Scotland services seem to be running through the area with delays.
Others are cancelled, like the Liverpool services, at Crewe.
 
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First 3 Liverpool-Euston services went via Chat Moss, 40-50 minutes late at Crewe.
RTT has the 0748 on the normal route to Sutton Weaver which might be an error.
0847/0947 cancelled (incoming trains still en route).
Something will have to give with too many trains trying to get through Piccadilly.
Routing via Chester might be the best option.
With what paths? The line via Chester struggles to cope already with the 4 TPH from Mickle Trafford.
Chester - Crewe will be fine though. If there is a few spare Voyagers (off the Scotland route), they could increase capacity on the Chester route as it's so easy for people to get the Merseytravel from Liverpool.
 

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First 3 Liverpool-Euston services went via Chat Moss, 40-50 minutes late at Crewe.
RTT has the 0748 on the normal route to Sutton Weaver which might be an error.
0847/0947 cancelled (incoming trains still en route).
Something will have to give with too many trains trying to get through Piccadilly.
Routing via Chester might be the best option.

I don't think theres OHLE at Chester.
Ok for voyagers only.
 
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Traveled between Wigan and Crewe this morning. We stopped around Weaver junction for about 30 mins, before progressing at a reduced speed on the "wrong side". The TM announced that due to the landslip, single line operation had been introduced and (from a purely passenger perspective) it looked like something akin to pilotman operation.
 

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Isn't there a facility to turn trains back just north of Hartford? Surely it would make sense for the LNR Liverpool services to turn back there at least once an hour.
 

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Traveled between Wigan and Crewe this morning. We stopped around Weaver junction for about 30 mins, before progressing at a reduced speed on the "wrong side". The TM announced that due to the landslip, single line operation had been introduced and (from a purely passenger perspective) it looked like something akin to pilotman operation.

Presumably using the facing Xover at Weaver and the trailing at Hartford LNW junction. That this line is not bidrectionally signalled is a major failing.
 

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Due to travel to alder hey from winsford with my son tomorrow so this is awful news! At least I’ve got time to attempt to find an alternative way (Jetpack looks favourable at the moment!)
 

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With what paths? The line via Chester struggles to cope already with the 4 TPH from Mickle Trafford.
Chester - Crewe will be fine though. If there is a few spare Voyagers (off the Scotland route), they could increase capacity on the Chester route as it's so easy for people to get the Merseytravel from Liverpool.
The Birmingham to Scotland route operates with Pendolinos now so there will be no spare Voyagers as a result of this incident. The incident highlights how dependent the railway is on Weaver Junction now that the alternative routes are themselves full to capacity.
 

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I’m currently on the 11:07 from Euston, which will be turned around at Crewe. Bus replacement for Runcorn customers & ticket acceptance on reasonable routes/operators.
 

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Was booked on the 1S52 10.30 euston - Glasgow to Lancaster. Train cancelled. So headed to ST Pancras for 1F22 10.31 to Sheffield and then to Piccadilly for TPE or Northern to Lancs.

1F22 Capped at Derby due to 38 min delay due to trespass incident. Packed EMR to chesterfield thence 1R70 EMR to Piccadilly and Northern to WIgan for late running 9S65 to Lancaster.

So 5 trains to get back 3hr 10 min delay and with delay repay a free journey!
 

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Im sorry to say Avanti put on a poor show today.

Firstly, the messages provided on board the service I was on from London were not particularly clear-essentially just telling customers the train was terminating at Crewe & to change for onward connections.

At Crewe, whilst there seemed to be a number of staff around, there was no coordinated effort made to assist customers. True, you could ask, but on arrival at P12, I would have expected some guidance (not for me, but those less familiar with the network). Instead, it was every man, woman & domestic animal to their own.

Although announcements were made, these were often contradictory, with passengers getting shunted between P11, P9 & P6 for an onward train to Chester. It didn’t help that the 11:10 Euston-Chester was itself delayed due to an earlier signalling issue, but the advice provided could & should have been much better.

To add to the heady mix, the automated announcements were left on, so whilst passengers were being (rightly) told about travelling via Chester to get to Liverpool, an automated announcement would then kick in to announce a non-existent train direct to Liverpool!

Now as someone who is well versed in how the rail system works, I can work things out for myself, but I felt really sorry for the majority of punters today, who will have been really messed around purely due to a seeming lack of decent management on the ground.
 

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Backing up the post above but one regarding assistance at Crewe, in my own experience it is truly dreadfull.

When I was left stranded, the impression I got from what was still Virgin staff, was "what do you expect us to do about it".
 

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I can confirm there is no OHLE to Chester. Voyagers only.

If this is going to be for more than today, it might not be an utterly terrible idea to rediagram things to get Pendolinos onto the Birmingham services presently operated by Voyagers and use the Voyagers to either strengthen the Chester service or up the frequency. It's probably by far the easiest diversionary route (for passengers) for Lime St, and Merseyrail can easily cope with the extra passenger demand.
 

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Had to get our daughter off to London this afternoon from Lime Street. She enquired online if her ticket (Avanti advance) would be accepted via Merseyrail and Chester and was told no. Arriving at Lime Street the display boards were saying 'replacement bus from South Parkway' (though reading the above that might have been in connection with the LNR trains) with little obvious suggestion on how to get there (there was a Chester train nearly ready to go and presumably an Oxford Road one, as well as the Northern Line, but we knew that: many people wouldn't). It was frustrating because it would have been easy(er) for us to drive to Parkway in the first place. However there was a very helpful Avanti lady who had a handwritten list of connections and she bundled her (with a minute to spare) onto the Northern service to Crewe via Manchester Piccadilly. Daughter eventually reached Piccadilly and caught a London train with no problem, ticket accepted. So congratulations to the staff on the ground; less grateful for the confusing information (or lack of) from Avanti.
 

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Backing up the post above but one regarding assistance at Crewe, in my own experience it is truly dreadfull.

When I was left stranded, the impression I got from what was still Virgin staff, was "what do you expect us to do about it".
Yes. It's at times like this that an old fashioned station master is needed. In a station the size of Crewe, even in 2020, there should still be someone in overall charge. This person will be an Avanti employee because they manage Crewe station. He or she should have spent the day on the platforms and on the concourse, leading the other staff visibly and guiding passengers. It's a vital role and the person doing it today should really be named on a sign in the concourse. So who is it, Avanti?
 

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National rail saying till the end of the day tomorrow.
Great, although I do feel sorry for passengers at stations like Holmwod, East Grinstead & Dean whose landslips didn’t appear to be repaired with anything like the urgency that a major mainline receives
 
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