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A career as a signaller

Danny Boy

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As someone from the street who has just completed week 1 of signal school at York I can only echo the above comments, reading too much will just almost certainly confuse you. You will also possibly fill your brain up with information that whilst useful you don't need to know at this stage, for example when I got my rule books I didn't know that things like TCB, AB, Token Block etc are all different methods of signalling & I thought that I would need to learn them all! Thankfully my LOM guided me in the right direction.

There is a lot to learn and there is a method to the teaching as one thing leads to another. I've got over 30 pages of notes just from week 1!

If you are like I was sat at home frustrated with nothing to do waiting to go to school & want to try and prepare yourself I would advice that you do no more than the following.

1. Confirm what type of course you are on.
2. Learn the key definitions & principle as listed in sections 1 & 2 of whatever system you are using. Don't try and understand what they are, this will be fully explained & it will make sense. By learning the wording of the definitions it's one thing less to learn at school in week 1, and you will almost certainly need to know them for the exams.
3. If you don't know it learn the phonetic alphabet & if applicable bell codes
4. If you don't have any PTS (track safety)knowledge then have a look at section 6 of Book G1 (general Safety responsibilities & PTS for non-track workers.

If you get any of the above done it will give you a running start for week 1.

From my brief experience so far yes it's hard and there is a lot to learn but the instructors are brilliant & want you to succeed and are there to help you in any way you can.

If there is an upside to Co-Vid 19 then being at school at the moment is certainly one. Class sizes are small(5 on ours)so there is a lot more opportunities for 1-1 with the trainers if you don't understand anything, lots more time to use the simulator & importantly with no pubs etc open a lot less to distract you, a good thing especially in York!
 
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Is that internal, external or both LOM? Being a NWR employee myself thats the first I’ve heard of that. Im in no way saying your lying either, its just surprised me. I know your line manager gets notified when you apply but didn’t know when you apply, the hiring manager can see all your previously applied for jobs.
If you go into Oracle then iRec Hiring Manager, search by My Vacancies, go into the list of applicants and click on an applicant name. You can then click the interview tab which will show a table of their previous interviews and one of the other tabs, I think application status, shows their previous applications. It only shows the job title and application status, no interview notes or anything. I do not actually know that it shows ‘all’ previous applications but it certainly goes back a few years.

Same as if you go into your own iRec Candidate on Oracle you can see every job yo have ever applied for.
 
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Llanigraham

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New entrants; if you do want to read something, read Red for Danger by Rolt. It gives some history about the excellent job you are moving into, and how things have progressed.
 

Javagem

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Yeah, any advice to people starting signalling school. Don't read ahead any rule books. Don't download simsig. Honestly, the course is designed to take you from complete newbie to qualified signaller in a certain timeframe. The rules are useless without the knowledge behind them. Spend the time preceding school with your family (if you live with them in these crazy times) and relaxing. Signalling school is intense. You'll be away from home 5 nights a week in a new environment with new people and lots to learn. Spend your weekends at home relaxing or you will burn out. And remember, if you got to this stage you are more than capable of passing school, don't be intimidated, it will just require a certain amount of dedication and you'll be fine.
Thanks for this, I’m currently awaiting a course start date - was supposed to be this Monday but has been delayed. This advice is really reassuring. I’ll carry on enjoying the time with family and preparing myself mentally by getting out for a run or walk in nature.
 

Habitat

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As someone from the street who has just completed week 1 of signal school at York I can only echo the above comments, reading too much will just almost certainly confuse you. You will also possibly fill your brain up with information that whilst useful you don't need to know at this stage, for example when I got my rule books I didn't know that things like TCB, AB, Token Block etc are all different methods of signalling & I thought that I would need to learn them all! Thankfully my LOM guided me in the right direction.

There is a lot to learn and there is a method to the teaching as one thing leads to another. I've got over 30 pages of notes just from week 1!

If you are like I was sat at home frustrated with nothing to do waiting to go to school & want to try and prepare yourself I would advice that you do no more than the following.

1. Confirm what type of course you are on.
2. Learn the key definitions & principle as listed in sections 1 & 2 of whatever system you are using. Don't try and understand what they are, this will be fully explained & it will make sense. By learning the wording of the definitions it's one thing less to learn at school in week 1, and you will almost certainly need to know them for the exams.
3. If you don't know it learn the phonetic alphabet & if applicable bell codes
4. If you don't have any PTS (track safety)knowledge then have a look at section 6 of Book G1 (general Safety responsibilities & PTS for non-track workers.

If you get any of the above done it will give you a running start for week 1.

From my brief experience so far yes it's hard and there is a lot to learn but the instructors are brilliant & want you to succeed and are there to help you in any way you can.

If there is an upside to Co-Vid 19 then being at school at the moment is certainly one. Class sizes are small(5 on ours)so there is a lot more opportunities for 1-1 with the trainers if you don't understand anything, lots more time to use the simulator & importantly with no pubs etc open a lot less to distract you, a good thing especially in York!

More's the pity, the pubs in York are awesome!
We had a great IST group and relaxed just enough when we needed to.
Are you at The Marriott? We were, it's a nice walk to school and back.
 

Kraken

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As someone from the street who has just completed week 1 of signal school at York I can only echo the above comments, reading too much will just almost certainly confuse you. You will also possibly fill your brain up with information that whilst useful you don't need to know at this stage, for example when I got my rule books I didn't know that things like TCB, AB, Token Block etc are all different methods of signalling & I thought that I would need to learn them all! Thankfully my LOM guided me in the right direction.

There is a lot to learn and there is a method to the teaching as one thing leads to another. I've got over 30 pages of notes just from week 1!

If you are like I was sat at home frustrated with nothing to do waiting to go to school & want to try and prepare yourself I would advice that you do no more than the following.

1. Confirm what type of course you are on.
2. Learn the key definitions & principle as listed in sections 1 & 2 of whatever system you are using. Don't try and understand what they are, this will be fully explained & it will make sense. By learning the wording of the definitions it's one thing less to learn at school in week 1, and you will almost certainly need to know them for the exams.
3. If you don't know it learn the phonetic alphabet & if applicable bell codes
4. If you don't have any PTS (track safety)knowledge then have a look at section 6 of Book G1 (general Safety responsibilities & PTS for non-track workers.

If you get any of the above done it will give you a running start for week 1.

From my brief experience so far yes it's hard and there is a lot to learn but the instructors are brilliant & want you to succeed and are there to help you in any way you can.

If there is an upside to Co-Vid 19 then being at school at the moment is certainly one. Class sizes are small(5 on ours)so there is a lot more opportunities for 1-1 with the trainers if you don't understand anything, lots more time to use the simulator & importantly with no pubs etc open a lot less to distract you, a good thing especially in York!

Superb post, thanks very much
 

amanda08

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I have an online interview on Wednesday and the email says to ensure I have a laptop or pc. I’m still waiting for further info but I wandered if it can also be done on an iPad, or is there a special program they use that wouldn’t work with ios?
Thanks
 

7Paul7

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I have an online interview on Wednesday and the email says to ensure I have a laptop or pc. I’m still waiting for further info but I wandered if it can also be done on an iPad, or is there a special program they use that wouldn’t work with ios?
Thanks

A MacBook is still a laptop and runs on iOS. I know of one person that conducted their online interview via a telephone using Skype.
 

Signaller2020

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I have an online interview on Wednesday and the email says to ensure I have a laptop or pc. I’m still waiting for further info but I wandered if it can also be done on an iPad, or is there a special program they use that wouldn’t work with ios?
Thanks
My interview was done via Microsoft teams (similar to Skype). I used my imac computer with no issues
 

amanda08

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My interview was done via Microsoft teams (similar to Skype). I used my imac computer with no issues
Thanks . I’ll dig out my laptop just in case . Hopefully I’ll get the info email soon so I can double check everything
 
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A MacBook is still a laptop and runs on iOS. I know of one person that conducted their online interview via a telephone using Skype.

Not quite true as Macs run on OSX and there have been issues with the online tests not working because Flash Player isn't supported by iOS. Having said that I'm not sure what software they would be using for interviews that wouldn't work on an iPad
 

Danny Boy

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More's the pity, the pubs in York are awesome!
We had a great IST group and relaxed just enough when we needed to.
Are you at The Marriott? We were, it's a nice walk to school and back.

We are staying at the Elmbank Hotel, given the circumstances the staff there are doing a great job looking after us. You are spot on about the pubs in York, a shame they are closed but it's a very big temptation removed!
 

Chumba

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Did they ask you what you knew about the box?

I had 10 interviews and was asked about the box and the area it covered on 3 occasions. Twice for the same box and same LOM, the other time a different box and different LOM.
 

LOM

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Did they ask you what you knew about the box?

Without giving too much away there will be two ‘overview’ questions which are chosen by the interviewers from a list of 12. One of the questions on the list is about your knowledge of the signalbox you have applied for. Everyone who is interviewed for a particular job must be asked the same 2 overview questions but which ones they are depends on what the panel chooses.
 
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Allaboard78

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Without giving too much away there will be two ‘overview’ questions which are chosen by the interviewers from a list of 12. One of the questions on the list is about your knowledge of the signalbox you have applied for. Everyone who is interviewed for a particular job must be asked the same 2 overview questions but which ones they are depends on what the panel chooses.
Very interesting! What about internal candidates, how do their interviews differ?
 

LOM

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So if you have internal and external candidates, how do you compare?
The overall scores are ranked. But without going into it too deeply in both types of interview there are adjustments (deductions) made for low scoring answers on key NTS areas. So although internal candidates always have the chance to score more points, poor answers also hurt them more.
 
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Allaboard78

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The overall scores are ranked. But without going into it too deeply in both types of interview there are adjustments (deductions) made for low scoring answers on key NTS areas. So although internal candidates always have the chance to score more points, poor answers also hurt them more.
Good to know. Thanks as always for your expert advice.
 

Joesgreen

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First time posting... Um.... hi?... I'm looking at careers as a signaller. Been working as an electrician in Canada for the last seven years and have just moved back to Swindon. I've applied for the grade 5 position that's going in Wokingham.
Is the best strategy to just apply for as many positions as possible to get your foot in the door?
Thanks for any help or advice.
 

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Has anyone else applied for York ROC vacancy that closed at the end of March? IRC2179727.
I applied as an external applicant and completed the SHL tests, but I've been sat at 'test completed' for over a month now with no updates etc.
Has anyone applied externally or internally and heard anything? I understand how it may be a while with everything that is going on in the world, it would just be interesting to know if anyone has heard anything.
Thanks
 

Qball

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Has anyone else applied for York ROC vacancy that closed at the end of March? IRC2179727.
I applied as an external applicant and completed the SHL tests, but I've been sat at 'test completed' for over a month now with no updates etc.
Has anyone applied externally or internally and heard anything? I understand how it may be a while with everything that is going on in the world, it would just be interesting to know if anyone has heard anything.
Thanks

Mine has been at application under consideration for a while.
 

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