Class 465 and 466 set for storage/scrap: possible uses for them in future?

[D365]

Are 465/466 still fitted with those Ansaldo ICMU devices. They realy were very troublesome.

Please expand on the acronym.

 

[507021]

Please expand on the acronym.

Interference Current Monitoring Unit.

 

[Class 466]

Realtime Trains - 5Y05 1135 New Beckenham Siding to Slade Green T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

465913,247 & 466006 heading back to Slade Green now. Two of these will be going to Worksop for storage soon. Might be worth removing “Scrap” from this thread title seen as none of them are actually being scrapped anytime soon…

 

[brad465]

Managed to spot 466043 passing through Strood this morning on its own en route to Gillingham depot, presumably ahead of a storage move.

 

[JammyJames08]

Realtime Trains - 5Y05 1135 New Beckenham Siding to Slade Green T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

465913,247 & 466006 heading back to Slade Green now. Two of these will be going to Worksop for storage soon. Might be worth removing “Scrap” from this thread title seen as none of them are actually being scrapped anytime soon…

Spotted yesterday at slade green, heavily graffitied both sides.

 

[3973EXL]

0O89 0804 Wembley - Gillingham 4 early Mitre Bridge
Realtime Trains - 084J 0804 Wembley H.S. to Gillingham E.M.U.D.

5Q26 dep 26 late 37884 465017/019
Realtime Trains - 545M 1059 Gillingham E.M.U.D. to Worksop Up Receptions

 

[The_Train]

Not sure if this was common knowledge anyway but Southeastern's Twitter have posted this

https://twitter.com/Se_Railway/status/1408061445091127304

 

[adrock1976]

Not sure if this was common knowledge anyway but Southeastern's Twitter have posted this

https://twitter.com/Se_Railway/status/1408061445091127304

Is this now clarified that none are going for scrap at this moment in time?

 

[43102EMR]

Is this now clarified that none are going for scrap at this moment in time?

Yes - they are still on lease to Southeastern and are just being stored temporarily to make way for the 707s.

 

[adrock1976]

Yes - they are still on lease to Southeastern and are just being stored temporarily to make way for the 707s.

Thanks very much.

 

[ScotGG]

But they can hardly return when the 707s have arrived - there's nowhere to put them?

Realistically at 30 years old and with no sidings for them presumably 30 at least will not be coming back.

 

[bramling]

But they can hardly return when the 707s have arrived - there's nowhere to put them?

Realistically at 30 years old and with no sidings for them presumably 30 at least will not be coming back.

There would be space if the 376s go, though this is of course just a rumour.

 

[Roast Veg]

Or if more depot space is built.

 

[43102EMR]

Or if more depot space is built.

Most likely this - although the 376 transfer would explain why they haven’t been refurbished…

 

[Meerkat]

Or if more depot space is built.

A good point.
Get the new stock in but you don’t want to build more depot space until you are sure that demand will return enough to demand it, so store the old trains.

 

[hwl]

Or if more depot space is built.

The Chart Leacon work includes 2 phases (phase 1 just for TL service changes and stabling issues) and bidders for the last SE franchise ITT also had to propose plans for additional stabling (and maintenance), the 377 go back to GTR for maintenance for example.

Hence a time gap till new stabling capacity (in several locations) comes on line in the medium term but there is a capacity constraint in the short term

 

[Roast Veg]

How much space will Chart Leacon bring to SE, roughly?

 

[Class 466]

No

How much space will Chart Leacon bring to SE, roughly?

Given TL won’t be taking up any space at Ashford Down Sidings now, I believe it basically equates to 5 or so 12 car roads at Chart Leacon all in additional capacity.

 

[3973EXL]

37884 Wembley - Gillingham 0O89
Realtime Trains - 009T 0804 Wembley H.S. to Gillingham E.M.U.D.

Realtime Trains - 531O 1059 Gillingham E.M.U.D. to Worksop Up Receptions

 

[Metal_gee_man]

No

Given TL won’t be taking up any space at Ashford Down Sidings now, I believe it basically equates to 5 or so 12 car roads at Chart Leacon all in additional capacity.

I've not done a load of train travelling (something about a pandemic), but I've just passed Chart Leacon on way to Tonbridge and was shocked at how big the area is they've opened up if they are building just roads and very little other than the supporting driver extraction humps then I'm very surprised it's only 5 roads it looks like it could handle 8 or 9 but I'm sure someone will put me straight

 

[hwl]

I've not done a load of train travelling (something about a pandemic), but I've just passed Chart Leacon on way to Tonbridge and was shocked at how big the area is they've opened up if they are building just roads and very little other than the supporting driver extraction humps then I'm very surprised it's only 5 roads it looks like it could handle 8 or 9 but I'm sure someone will put me straight

5 is what I described as phase 1 above (originally for SE stock displaced by TL) for quick delivery, with the potential for more stabling and enhanced facilities with that later (if funded).

 

[physics34]

37884 Wembley - Gillingham 0O89
Realtime Trains - 009T 0804 Wembley H.S. to Gillingham E.M.U.D.

Realtime Trains - 531O 1059 Gillingham E.M.U.D. to Worksop Up Receptions

466024, but dont know the others

 

[Class 466]

466024, but dont know the others

466024, 466043 & 465010

 

[Metal_gee_man]

5 is what I described as phase 1 above (originally for SE stock displaced by TL) for quick delivery, with the potential for more stabling and enhanced facilities with that later (if funded).

So Chart Leacon is looking very flattened pretty vast and excavators on site. We will see what SE/TL/NR come up with won't we.

 

[Ianigsy]

466024, 466043 & 465010

Just passed these at Hornsey.

 

[Class 466]

So Chart Leacon is looking very flattened pretty vast and excavators on site. We will see what SE/TL/NR come up with won't we.

Good to see some photos of it! As mentioned on another thread on here, Thameslink won’t be coming to Ashford or Maidstone anytime soon, so it’s entirely additional berthing for Southeastern as they won’t have to move anything from the Down Sidings now.

 

[warwickshire]

466024, 466043 & 465010

In order was the usual 37884 doing what it does best at Peterborough with 465010 leading with 466043 and 466024 on the rear. And again 37884 full on sound and noise.

 

[ScotGG]

Or if more depot space is built.

That could take years and decent funding for a sizeable amount of space.

Is Chart Leacon much good for Networkers as quite remote from metro land?

By then the 465s could be touching 35 years old and some been in store for years.

 

[Journeyman]

That will take years and funding for a sizeable amount of space.

Is Chart Leacon much good for Networkers as quite remote from metro land?

By then the 465s are touching 35 years old and in store for years.

Are the 465s and 466s going to turn into another class that must be saved at all costs?

They've already lasted longer than a lot of SUBs and EPBs.

 

[ScotGG]

They already have poor reliability and storage for years isn't going to help that.

They also serve an area of the country with the highest housebuilding in the country.

Far better for a uniform new order to make use of 12-car infrastructure Network Rail spent million to install on Metro routes.

If it wasn't for continual short term extensions since 2014 they'd likely be gone years ago.

It's quite likely some will never return from storage IMO