newtownmgr
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None at Worcester & even if there was it wouldn’t be able to assist. 3 barrier coaches at the rear of the train & Worcester WMR drivers don’t sign Norton Jct
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FrodshamJnct
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They were rescued by 66161 which was in the area on route learning.
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Would have been a very interesting affair if 66161 was not on route learning. Job stopped for some time.
66161 saves the day.
ABB125
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Not quite as exciting as when 37601 failed at Norton Jn in June 2020! 47815 to the rescue...
Techniquest
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As an enthusiast of big noisy trains, that's pretty awesome. As an enthusiast of clean air and generally greener transport, however, not so much! Not sure which I side with more to be honest!
newtownmgr
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As someone who worked on both 37 & 47 & now drives the modern units. Give me clag & noise anytime. Although saying that it is nice to go home with the uniform still clean & not stinking
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Realtime Trains | 571I 1130 Worcester T.C. to Long Marston | 31/03/2022
Real-time train running information for 571I 1130 departure from Worcester T.C. to Long Marston on 31/03/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Second attempt lucky today for 5Q94 with 37601, 196010 and 196110. Hopefully they make it today.
37510 on the way to Worcester to rescue 37601.Realtime Trains | 571I 1130 Worcester T.C. to Long Marston | 31/03/2022
Real-time train running information for 571I 1130 departure from Worcester T.C. to Long Marston on 31/03/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Second attempt lucky today for 5Q94 with 37601, 196010 and 196110. Hopefully they make it today.
FrodshamJnct
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Realtime Trains | 571I 1130 Worcester T.C. to Long Marston | 31/03/2022
Real-time train running information for 571I 1130 departure from Worcester T.C. to Long Marston on 31/03/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Second attempt lucky today for 5Q94 with 37601, 196010 and 196110. Hopefully they make it today.
Where have you got that from? It’s going to be 37510 from what I understand.
Techniquest
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In terms of general fun, there's no doubt a 37 making a racket would be good fun, but yes the clean air and lungs not full of fumes is worth the sacrifice of the sheer joy a 37 thrashing away brings.
Wyrleybart
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It seems crazy to me that brand new DMUs are hauled around the country by 60 year old locos. I am assuming the 196 movement would not have been a failure if the units were "self powering" but hey
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37510 double heading with 37601 dit.
196113 looks like it will have 3/4 of its train at the moment whilst it's been shunted out of the way to make space for the MoD train today. Donnington RFT today (31/3/22).
It's good to see though. It's probably becasue they haven't run under own power yet so it's better to drag them them cause any damage.
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newtownmgr
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No driver available that signs both the route & traction.
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Inside information tells me the training for onboard staff has been put back to May/June now. Not sure why, but another step in this sorry saga.
Meanwhile, EMR were due to get the remaining 170s in May. This will not be happening.
I can see these ending up being replaced in only a few years when the defects come to light. Without wishing to veer off course, the CAF built trams in Birmingham have once again been pulled for engineering defects. So it makes one wonder what life on the Shrewsbury to Wolverhampton and the Birmingham to Hereford lines will be like.
Meanwhile, EMR were due to get the remaining 170s in May. This will not be happening.
I can see these ending up being replaced in only a few years when the defects come to light. Without wishing to veer off course, the CAF built trams in Birmingham have once again been pulled for engineering defects. So it makes one wonder what life on the Shrewsbury to Wolverhampton and the Birmingham to Hereford lines will be like.
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Northern's very similar 195s seem to be doing OK now.
Yes I confirmed this a little while ago. It's related to door panels being retrofitted currently
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One of the issues with the trams is the design. They are based on the urbos3 which is a pure tram designed for running over roads basically. These take some battering running over ballasted rails which is where the issues are arising. Train/trams similar to Sheffield would have been better but more expensive!
Wyrleybart
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And it would be very easy to ask why the DfT didn't invidulate WMR's franchise bid and instruct them to buy the Conductor door panels in the build. Or did DfT blindly believe that DCO would be accepted as the standard method of train working. But why also did the Rosco not consider the door panels to be a selling point should it wish to place it's assets with another TOC ?
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I am very surprised that they were ordered without door panels. Especially when you consider other trains like the the 700s and 717s were all built with door panels at every door throughout the train and in the cabs even though they have been DOO since day one. So i have no idea what they were thinking when the 196s got ordered. I think that they must have been hoping DOO would be implemented by now.
Have they made the same mistake with the 730s too? Or do they actually have door control panels fitted?
Does anyone know what work is involved with adding the door panels to the 196s? Will it be done on the cheap and just be a simple control box screwed on to the wall by the door and connected to the electrics like GTR Southern did in the middle coach of their 313s? Or are they actually properly rebuilding a door panel in to the body so it will look just like the panels on the 195s and 331s? Does anyone have any photos of the work being done?
Have they made the same mistake with the 730s too? Or do they actually have door control panels fitted?
Does anyone know what work is involved with adding the door panels to the 196s? Will it be done on the cheap and just be a simple control box screwed on to the wall by the door and connected to the electrics like GTR Southern did in the middle coach of their 313s? Or are they actually properly rebuilding a door panel in to the body so it will look just like the panels on the 195s and 331s? Does anyone have any photos of the work being done?
Wyrleybart
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I have no idea, but presumably class 195 and 197 were built with the panels ?
It is difficult to believe that in these austere days class 195 196 and 197 could be so different for what is essentially the same task - moving passengers.
Jacob Porrett
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Just have to wait and see. Hopefully no problems will occur once in service or it will be bus replacements. We are talking about CAF so anything could happen.
Funny though.
Yes, 730s are in the same boat. The DfT fully expected to introduce DOO across the franchise prior to these units coming into service, hence the strikes a few years ago by the conductor grade.
I've seen photos of what the panels look like, but they aren't in situ so can't confirm but I believe it's integrated into the bodywork panels now.
Not long to wait now to see them in the flesh
I've seen photos of what the panels look like, but they aren't in situ so can't confirm but I believe it's integrated into the bodywork panels now.
Not long to wait now to see them in the flesh
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Techniquest
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Until I am sat on that train, and it departs, with me on board for the platform score and I have both photographic and video proof, I will not believe it
EDIT: I realise now you mean that the 196 is doing that platform already, and not a guarantee that it will happen on the day of the timetable change!
Sir! I cannot believe a man of your calibre still requires the North Bay at WolvesUntil I am sat on that train, and it departs, with me on board for the platform score and I have both photographic and video proof, I will not believe it
EDIT: I realise now you mean that the 196 is doing that platform already, and not a guarantee that it will happen on the day of the timetable change!
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No training has started yet, so highly unlikely.
I think he means 'scheduled to' date it obviously TBC currently but end of May could still happen
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And would the result be that two 170s go straight to EMR in a 1-in-1-out sort of thing?
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