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Lumo Full Service as of Today (01/04/22)

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Lumo have gone up to their full 10 service-per-day timetable as of today (01/04/22) with the addition of 1E88 1958 Edinburgh - Kings Cross (via the Hertford Loop) and 1S99 2018 Kings Cross - Edinburgh. They've also introduced their full weekend timetable after engineering work on the ECML meant they couldn't run to Kings Cross. Link to the full timetable on Lumo's website here.
 
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I looked for London to Stevenage tickets, but I couldn't find any on there.

Stevenage is pick up/set down only, they do not carry passengers for that journey (and @TT-ONR-NRN I think found that they are pretty strict on that in the same way as Avanti between London and Watford, i.e. there is no possible way you would get away with it and would be chucked off).
 

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Then why on Earth is that not on their website?!

It's in the timetable:


There is only one train per day each way calling at Stevenage, so it's really irrelevant information that would be cluttering the website. An enthusiast is perfectly capable of using various systems like RTT to work it out themselves.
 

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Stevenage is pick up/set down only, they do not carry passengers for that journey (and @TT-ONR-NRN I think found that they are pretty strict on that in the same way as Avanti between London and Watford, i.e. there is no possible way you would get away with it and would be chucked off).
Nah, the experience I described on here was thankfully a one-off, clearly someone who’s new job went straight to their head. :D
 

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It's in the timetable:


There is only one train per day each way calling at Stevenage, so it's really irrelevant information that would be cluttering the website. An enthusiast is perfectly capable of using various systems like RTT to work it out themselves.
There is now two. The 12:18 departure on weekdays and 12:35 on Sundays.

Yes, I'm an enthusiast, but a casual passenger is going to not know that.
 

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Yes, I'm an enthusiast, but a casual passenger is going to not know that.
A casual passenger is not going to care about Lumo calls at Stevenage unless they are travelling long distance and it comes up on a journey planner.
 

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Stevenage is pick up/set down only, they do not carry passengers for that journey (and @TT-ONR-NRN I think found that they are pretty strict on that in the same way as Avanti between London and Watford, i.e. there is no possible way you would get away with it and would be chucked off).
Chucked off between London and Stevenage?
 

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Lumo have gone up to their full 10 service-per-day timetable as of today (01/04/22) with the addition of 1E88 1958 Edinburgh - Kings Cross (via the Hertford Loop) and 1S99 2018 Kings Cross - Edinburgh. They've also introduced their full weekend timetable after engineering work on the ECML meant they couldn't run to Kings Cross. Link to the full timetable on Lumo's website here.
So this new timetable appears to require four out of the five units to operate meaning there is only one spare. I guess this means we can expect plenty of cancellations whenever more than one unit is out of use. Unless they have a plan to borrow a FHT or FTPE unit when this happens.
 

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So this new timetable appears to require four out of the five units to operate meaning there is only one spare. I guess this means we can expect plenty of cancellations whenever more than one unit is out of use.
It has always been the plan to have four units diagrammed from five. Unless one of the units is put out by an mishap, it really should be possible with modern units to only have one spare and run over 99% of booked services.

Unless they have a plan to borrow a FHT or FTPE unit when this
FHT have five 802s for three diagrams other than when strengthening is required. I think one of the Lumo units would have to be out of action on a long term basis before an FHT 802 would be used though.
 

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Chucked off between London and Stevenage?

Like Watford they are watching to see who boards, then they'll go through and remove them before departure. Try it at Watford, you'll see it in action! :)

There is now two. The 12:18 departure on weekdays and 12:35 on Sundays.

Yes, I'm an enthusiast, but a casual passenger is going to not know that.

There are something in the order of 30 other departures from Stevenage to London and vice versa. The chance of one of those two being the next one is low, and if it is they'll not be able to buy a ticket for it and it won't be shown on the departure board for Stevenage at either there or London.

So a casual passenger would not end up using it. And if they did they'd be asked to get off again.
 

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Like Watford they are watching to see who boards, then they'll go through and remove them before departure. Try it at Watford, you'll see it in action! :)
The post in question referred to a Kings Cross departure.
 

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Like Watford they are watching to see who boards, then they'll go through and remove them before departure. Try it at Watford, you'll see it in action! :)
If the Avanti customers have a delayed arrival at Euston because of staff preferring to go through that fiasco than to leave on time, that is an absolute disgrace.
 

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If the Avanti customers have a delayed arrival at Euston because of staff preferring to go through that fiasco than to leave on time, that is an absolute disgrace.

Delaying trains for passengers with tickets that aren’t valid doesn’t just happen at Watford, it’s not unknown for revenue to be called to a train anywhere in the country. Not doing so sends a message ‘you can get away with it’
 

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Lumo have gone up to their full 10 service-per-day timetable as of today (01/04/22)
As noted elsewhere while they are running 10 services, it isn't a full service as the last train from London and first train from Edinburgh don't go north of Newcastle.
 

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As noted elsewhere while they are running 10 services, it isn't a full service as the last train from London and first train from Edinburgh don't go north of Newcastle.
The last train from Edinburgh on Saturdays is always only going as far as Newcastle, with the first southbound train on Sundays always starting from Newcastle. Monday to Thursday for the next 6 weeks 1S99 terminates at Newcastle due to overnight engineering work north of Newcastle, with 1E80 starting from Newcastle the next morning.
 

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If the Avanti customers have a delayed arrival at Euston because of staff preferring to go through that fiasco than to leave on time, that is an absolute disgrace.

Or people could just comply with the rules, which are there for several good reasons. I know that at Watford it is made VERY clear on displays and announcements, and most Euston LNR trains go from a different platform.
 

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If the Avanti customers have a delayed arrival at Euston because of staff preferring to go through that fiasco than to leave on time, that is an absolute disgrace.
It's actually pretty common for people to use Avanti West Coast from Watford Junction to London when there's significant disruption or multiple cancellations of LNR services.
 

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It's actually pretty common for people to use Avanti West Coast from Watford Junction to London when there's significant disruption or multiple cancellations of LNR services.

That is a loosening of their resolve - in VT days it was an absolute no, pretty much.

Officially, or just "if it's full and standing the guard won't get there"?
 

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That is a loosening of their resolve - in VT days it was an absolute no, pretty much.

Officially, or just "if it's full and standing the guard won't get there"?
From my understanding it's a bit of both. Of course it's not common in the other direction.
 

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2 a day stopping at Stevenage? Thought the point in stopping at Stevenage was for the Luton and Stanstead Airports traffic…..
 

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Once the 6-week block north of Newcastle is finished the late-night evening service from kings cross to Scotland could come in useful. A journey with LNER on the 1900s not only involves and ironing board seat but a very long wait for a bus in town, given the prehistoric bus timetable around here still assumed that nobody wants to travel between about 11:30 and nearly 1 in the morning when the night service kicked in
 

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Once the 6-week block north of Newcastle is finished the late-night evening service from kings cross to Scotland could come in useful.
I guess that the fact that it can't run for the next six weeks casts some doubt as to how likely it is to be able to run at all, other than on Friday nights. It runs a whole hour later than any other train on the line north of Morpeth so must be at risk of regular engineering possessions preventing it from running.
 

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I guess that the fact that it can't run for the next six weeks casts some doubt as to how likely it is to be able to run at all, other than on Friday nights. It runs a whole hour later than any other train on the line north of Morpeth so must be at risk of regular engineering possessions preventing it from running.
Pretty sure Network Rail wouldn't have given them the path for it if there wasn't a good chance of it running regularly. There will be freight running through the night too.
 

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Delaying trains for passengers with tickets that aren’t valid doesn’t just happen at Watford, it’s not unknown for revenue to be called to a train anywhere in the country. Not doing so sends a message ‘you can get away with it’
Also sends a message that one person is more important than hundreds of people, which is odd
 

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EDIT: I havent used Lumo as yet. Interesting they are increasing service numbers. Demand must be going up. Can they deliver the service?
If the Avanti customers have a delayed arrival at Euston because of staff preferring to go through that fiasco than to leave on time, that is an absolute disgrace.
as are people who think they are above the rules.
 
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