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The rapid decline of Bournemouth’s Yellow Buses network

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I have noticed that the staff are staying positive about this - I visited the travel shop and they said it obviously is hard but they are trying to keep positive! I will definitely try to take another journey on the Yellows, however sadly these timetable changes just suggests the company is collapsing.
 
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Leading on from that (on the same link), they've also advised not to top up smartcards using the website - presuming because it would not work as I assume the tickets do not exist on ticketer anymore (?) or they've got a restriction I'm not aware of.

Besides, I was definitely surprised by this bearing in mind https://www.yellowbuses.co.uk/message-our-passengers states that further action may be taken in "September" - not July.
 

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I have noticed that the staff are staying positive about this - I visited the travel shop and they said it obviously is hard but they are trying to keep positive! I will definitely try to take another journey on the Yellows, however sadly these timetable changes just suggests the company is collapsing.
How? Reducing to a Saturday timetable cuts the vehicle requirement and so needs fewer drivers to operate the services. That also reduces the fuel requirement which might be an issue. Same applies to engineering - you need fewer buses to operate on a Saturday, so you won't need as many licenced and you could SORN some of the fleet. Provides breathing space...
 

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Service reductions from Wednesday:

https://www.yellowbuses.co.uk/august-service-changes


New Forest Explorer, 727 and 6h withdrawn

Not listed on the above page, but Buster's Beach Bus is running on a reduced route according to YB's Facebook page
These changes are very sensible to me. The current M-F 1a timetable is odd and looks wasteful to me. Minor cuts to 1b and 4. The frequency on the key route 5/5a is retained.

The routes cut are marginal and in some cases speculative whilst the BBB timetable which needed 6 out of 7 elderly open toppers on a daily basis always looked optimistic.

Hopefully they will be able to operate these in full.

Presumably the TCs would have had to be consulted informally at least?
 

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How? Reducing to a Saturday timetable cuts the vehicle requirement and so needs fewer drivers to operate the services. That also reduces the fuel requirement which might be an issue. Same applies to engineering - you need fewer buses to operate on a Saturday, so you won't need as many licenced and you could SORN some of the fleet. Provides breathing space...
I do agree there and to be honest I don't know why I posted that last bit... much of the fleet has been out of action recently anyway so allows more reliable services to run and more certainty
 

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A morebus driver has just told me that there has been a walk out by some drivers today because of a national express take over. Nothing more than that and no reason given for the walk out.
 

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Number 4 (Operating licence) requires a traffic manager, a named competent official. If the Directors have lost authority to the administrator then possibly no longer anyone in this position. I don’t know the rules but maybe only have a week to name a successor

The operator has to notify the OTC (Office of the Traffic Commissioner) of the change in who is running the company and what arrangements are in place for legal compliance.

A period of grace can be applied for either to allow for an orderly winding up of the company or to allow a new owner to take over. Likewise there can be a period of grace applied for while a new TM is appointed (assuming the former TM has left). The key is notifying the OTC and making an application for a period of grace because on the face of it the operator no longer complies with the conditions for holding an O License.

Unless there are safety considerations the OTC will be reluctant to revoke the operators licence immediately because it would adversely affect passengers especially those who rely on the bus service.

There is also an issue that revoking the licence will almost certainly cause the company to collapse and thus diminishing the companies value. Thus there is a process to allow for operations to continue providing safety is not jeapardised. (Of course financial problems eg fuel purchase or a shortage of drivers could have the same effect). IIRC there is a case called Banksfoot Buses which deals with the issues of licence revocation when there is a possibility of keeping the company going / selling to a new owner.

Operators who operate school bus contracts are normally given a period of time to allow for the LA to make alternative arrangements but this of course normally applies in term time only.

Going a lot further back to the council days the coach operation was very much separate - Dorset Travel Services was taken over 1992 from National Express and has it's origins in the old Shamrock & Rambler operation - this was where the 035 National Express diagrams came from. The operation did do proper coach work alongside it but in the early 2000s it was given up to focus on the National Express work.

The London express service goes back to the joint Shamrock and Rambler / Orange Luxury Coaches operation started IIRC in the 1930s.

IF Grey Green had bought Shamrock and Rambler in the 50s (when they bought Orange Luxury Coaches) then who knows Arriva may have had presence in Bournemouth for the past 40 + years.
 
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Understand a number of drivers and some critical engineering staff have already departed Yellow Buses.

Can't help but feel somebody will buy the coaching side and leave the Stagecarriage side to rot....
 

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As far as drivers are concerned, most are waiting to find out how much Amazon are prepared to pay for the 600+ drivers they will require at their new Poole hub in the autumn. The current shortages are likely to be the tip of the iceberg. There is the very real possibility that the local bus network is about to be decimated by a mass exodus of staff from both Go South Coast and Yellows.

Ouch, yes Amazon's arrival could spell trouble.
 

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A factor could be the companies credit rating. Suppliers may well have factored their invoices - sold the debt to a bank. The bank may have checked the factored invoices and refused to finance Yellows debt. So the supplier would change the terms to payment up front which would be devastating to cash flow
Its what finally did for Woolies.
I would have thought a company in Administration would have to pay up front for everything. So no viable business.
 

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Could be fabricated nonsense but latest rumours online are that a buyer has been found for the coaching and engineering divisions, but the bus division could cease trading as soon as tomorrow. Not heard from any reliable source as of yet.
 

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The Go South Coast managing director has just tweeted this: https://twitter.com/AndrewWickhamGo/status/1554898377535639552

We are sad to learn that our neighbours Yellow Buses will cease all bus routes after tomorrow. They have been trading for 120 years. Morebus will commence operating new services to replace the main routes from Saturday. I hope that many Yellow Buses staff will apply to work for us, as the new routes mean we have vacancies for a number of different roles. Full details will be on the morebus website shortly.
 

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They say they've got new buses for the Unibus routes (and I did see a couple in Bournemouth depot this evening) and presumably had enough space there to take them before this happened. As for drivers, that's going to be a trickier ask - but they'll probably see an influx of ex-yellows drivers rather quickly.
 

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Summer timetables are in place don't forget so less drivers and vehicles needed. Depending on demand in some of the other areas too with regards to summer timetables, they could loan in some drivers.

Then you've got the fact they are encouraging Yellows drivers to move over.
 

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There was an article in Coach & Bus week yesterday that suggests there are negotiations with a "national operator". It is rather speculative, though.

Loss of revenue, rising fuel prices and the general rise in inflation are some of the reasons being blamed for the 120-year-old Bournemouth Transport going into administration

Just seven days after celebrating 120 years of operation, it was announced on Friday 29 July that Bournemouth Transport, which trades as Yellow Buses and has an operators licence for 120 vehicles, and Yellow Coaches, which has an operators licence for 20 vehicles, have been placed into administration.

The company has been in independent ownership since 2 July 2019, when it was sold by owner RATP Dev to David Squire (its then Managing Director), Phil Pannell (Service Delivery Director) and Simon Newport (Commercial Director). Noel Smith is also listed as a current Director.

Simon Rowe and Rachel Hotham of Milsted Langdon LLP have been appointed as Administrators, and issued the following statement: “We recognise that many people rely on the Yellow Buses network for all sorts of aspects of their daily lives and that for them and the 300 staff employed by the business this is an unsettling time. We can recognise this and want to reassure everyone that we and our team are doing all we can to ensure that the business continues to operate as normal as possible under the circumstances and continues to do so into the future.

“Yellow Buses has just celebrated its 120th birthday and so it is an unfortunate time to be facing this uncertainty. However, like many transport businesses, Yellow Buses has suffered from the challenges of the Covid-19 period and the changes in lifestyle habits which have followed, with more people working remotely and some people still being reluctant to travel on public transport. All of this has severely reduced passenger numbers on all routes.

“This loss of revenue has had a financial impact on the business and additional factors such as the recent increase in fuel prices and the general rise in inflation has only made that greater.

“The directors have, for some time, been looking for outside investment or a purchaser to take Yellow Buses on to the next stage of its life. They felt that as a small independent business it was unable to handle the current challenges alone and hoped that by merging with a larger operator it would provide them with a broader platform from which to operate.

“Unfortunately, those negotiations take time, and during that time the business was coming under increasing financial pressure. Negotiations with one of those parties, a large national operator, have entered the final stages and we hope to be able to conclude within a matter of days.


“With its long history in the local area and its integral role within the community we appreciate that there will be a great number of people concerned about this news; what we would ask is that the community shows it support by using the services. Support Yellow Buses and crucially its staff by using the bus. Take a trip on one of the buses and let the drivers know they have your support. Show them just how important this service is to everyone.”

The call for passengers and holiday makers to continue to support the business and use its services has been echoed in social media posts by local people connected to the coach and bus industry.

Although no mention has been made of who the national operator might be, there are a few options. A takeover by Stagecoach would be straightforward as it does not operate in the area, and would fit in well with its South division. First Bus operates as far into Yellow Buses territory as Poole with its X54, and it would be a natural expansion of its southern operating companies, being situated betweens the firm’s Weymouth and Southampton depots.

A takeover by National Express could be complex in regards to the Yellow Coaches division, which has contracts to operate on both National Express diagrams and, for the next few weeks, Stagecoach-owned megabus, until its retail operations move to ComfortDelgro, in which case it would be working under contract to what would, theoretically, be its own competition. However, it would fit in well with the firm’s National Express Transport Solutions portfolio of coach companies along the South Coast.

A move by Go-Ahead Group, which operates in competition with Yellow Buses through its morebus subsidiary could attract the attention of the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) due to the overlap of bus services in Bournemouth.

A further announcement about the future ownership of the company is expected in the coming weeks.
 

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Could be fabricated nonsense but latest rumours online are that a buyer has been found for the coaching and engineering divisions, but the bus division could cease trading as soon as tomorrow. Not heard from any reliable source as of yet.
That has been reported on the Bournemouth Echo. However, this might not be a reliable source

ALL services by Yellow Buses will cease operation on Thursday night, as a buyer is not found for the bus side of the business.


The administrators announced they expect an agreement with a buyer to be signed on Friday to save the coach side of the business, saving approximately 50 jobs.


A buyer was not found for the bus operations side of Bournemouth Transport Ltd, which trades as Yellow Buses, it has been confirmed by administrators this evening.
 

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It is sad to see Yellow buses go, but with patience the Go Ahead group has acquired the routes for no capital cost. If Go Ahead had bought Yellow Buses in the first place then the name could have been kept and potentially spread further to say Ringwood and Lymington depots.

The process of administration and closure appears fairly orderly. The struggling operator usually makes the council aware in advance and other local operators can normally guess even if not told directly, backdoor, or via the council. The storm that blew up after Tillingbourne outside Guildford simply ceased trading and stopped one lunchtime leaving many passengers stranded (even mid route) and a full school return run not covered, changed the process and way of thinking.

More and Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole Council (BCP) appear to have things in hand. How much has been done on the spot and how much pre-planned to a degree, we don't know. Councils today normally have contingencies ideas for all their school contracts if nothing else. However Go South coast has a reserve fleet for rail replacement, festivals, etc and contingencies like depot fires and competitor insolvency. The rest of the group has likewise. In this case they seem to have had buses on order delivered early as well.

Getting staff has to be just keep your figures crossed and hope the £2000 bonus is sufficient. The old days of standing outside the closing depot with application forms and signing staff up on the pavement is on longer necessary. As for depot space they may have enough or can talk to others and even the administrators to at least park in the old depot as a temporary fix.

Will Friday have no buses? Yellow now seem to finish Thursday and More starts Saturday.

The new services are every 15/30 minutes and the expected tails removed. The 2 and 4 are combined as a circular. The 6a is an extension to cover the Kinson - Bearwood gap. What is happening to the BCP contract routes? (18,33,36). This is very much an emergency arrangement and the new school year will require a more integrated service along with who takes on the school runs.

More bus now has a map of the emergency routes available (titled Grizzly Network Map!). They will take Yellow buses period tickets for the first week, otherwise standard more fares. Already having zonal fares over the whole area makes life so easy in that area.
 
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One thing I notice from a quick look at the Morebus timetables for the 4 and 6 (which run near my family's home in Bournemoiuth) is that the evening service is improved over the Yellows' rather thin offering in recent years with longer and longer hour-plus intervals.
 

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As for depot space they may have enough or can talk to others and even the administrators to at least park in the old depot as a temporary fix.
I don't know where the main Morebus depot is. I should imagine they have space in Bournemouth already given the operation of the M1 and M2 routes which link both towns.

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Looks like one final journey for me tomorrow.

Some pros and cons from where I live on route 6. With my ENCTS pass Mon - Fri, I will now be able to get into Wimborne before 10am (pro), but not into Bournemouth until almost 11am (con).

And here's the last bus today from Wimborne to Bournemouth; just one day to go...
 

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I should imagine they have space in Bournemouth already given the operation of the M1 and M2 routes which link both towns.
The depot is just opposite Bournemouth station. You will see it when taking the train from Pokesdown to Bournemouth.
 

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I don't know where the main Morebus depot is. I should imagine they have space in Bournemouth already given the operation of the M1 and M2 routes which link both towns.

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They are two More depots. There's the main depot in Poole (former Wilts and Dorset). Also, the former Excelsior Coaches depot in Southcote Road in Bournemouth which is now also used for bus services as well as coach work.
 

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They are two More depots. There's the main depot in Poole (former Wilts and Dorset). Also, the former Excelsior Coaches depot in Southcote Road in Bournemouth which is now also used for bus services as well as coach work.
Does anyone know if National Express are taking the depot or just the staff?

I'm wondering if GSC might take on the depot and close Southcote Rd? Guess it depends what the extra PVR is once things settle down.
 
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One thing I notice from a quick look at the Morebus timetables for the 4 and 6 (which run near my family's home in Bournemoiuth) is that the evening service is improved over the Yellows' rather thin offering in recent years with longer and longer hour-plus intervals.
The 6 is not an improvement - the original timetable generally offered about 2 buses per hour in the evening, 1 of them turning back at High Howe, but the temporary morebus timetable only has 1 bus per hour in the evening.
 

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Does anyone know if National Express are taking the depot or just the staff?

I'm wondering if GSC might take on the depot and close Southcote Rd? Guess it depends what the extra PVR is once things settle down.
It was the depot NX were after.
 

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Does anyone know if National Express are taking the depot or just the staff?

I'm wondering if GSC might take on the depot and close Southcote Rd? Guess it depends what the extra PVR is once things settle down.
I think they spent a fair sum on Southcote Road to improve it?

They can probably squeeze a few more into Poole, some into Southcote, and also move out some of the coaching work to Pimperne if really pushed.
 
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