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Why is it that in the UK we seem to prefer building stations with bridges over the line and steps going up from the platforms, whereas in Belgium, Germany etc. the vast majority seem to have the line built over an underground space with steps going down from the platforms? (At smaller stations this is just a plain underpass, but at larger ones there might be more facilities such as a shopping area and toilets).

That's not to say there aren't any underpasses in the UK - Swindon springs to mind as an example - or footbridges abroad - such as Liège-Guillemins - but they seem very much the exception.

Could it have something to do with the greater prevalence of overhead electrification in Europe leading designers to prefer going underneath? Or maybe the association of underground spaces with anti-social behaviour is greater in this country?
 
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I think going underground would cost more money, require more planning and resources and might cause issues with the track and heavy trains above.
 

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It's hard to add a subway to an already existing railway, and harder to add things like ramps or lift shafts for accessibility.
Also depends on the lie of the land when the railway was built. If the railway is in a cutting a footbridge is easier, if on an embankment a subway (or a shared bridge with an adjacent road) is probably the better option. For a railway at ground level, the better option might depend on things like local ground conditions, how exposed the site is, or any number of variables.
 

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Surely an underpass would have made more sense at the new Reston Station.

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Why is it that in the UK we seem to prefer building stations with bridges over the line and steps going up from the platforms, whereas in Belgium, Germany etc. the vast majority seem to have the line built over an underground space with steps going down from the platforms? (At smaller stations this is just a plain underpass, but at larger ones there might be more facilities such as a shopping area and toilets).

That's not to say there aren't any underpasses in the UK - Swindon springs to mind as an example - or footbridges abroad - such as Liège-Guillemins - but they seem very much the exception.

Could it have something to do with the greater prevalence of overhead electrification in Europe leading designers to prefer going underneath? Or maybe the association of underground spaces with anti-social behaviour is greater in this country?
I suspect that the choice between footbridge or subway has more to do with the lie of the land and local requirements than any national preference. In any event the stations were mostly sited long before electrification was thing.

For example Reading used only to have a subway as the station was built on an embankment and the subway was at the original ground level; it was the only way to reach the platforms away from the booking hall. It still exists as a way between the two sides of the station outside the gateline. When the station building were extended in 1989 a footbridge was built between the new booking office and the multi-story car park; it also gave access to the island platforms. The subway still existed and was still used but was now inside the gateline.

The size of the new footbridge ("Transfer deck") which was erected in the latest rebuild a decade or so ago (when the 1989 footbridge was demolished) gives some idea of the space required if the subway had been enlarged - digging out the embankment whilst still running trains over the top would have been a complicated and expensive matter quite apart from the local ground level on the town side of the station having been raised since the railway was built making the advantages of a subway somewhat moot.

Bath station is also elevated as it's placed in a loop of the Avon - it also has a subway.

On the continent, again, local conditions in many cases made the choice obvious. In Brussels the Gare du Midi is on a high brick embankment so a subway is the obvious choice. Similarly with Köln, the station is high up as the eastern end goes straight out over the Hohenzollern Bridge over the Rhine which needs clearance for the ships. In Berlin the Stadtbahn goes through the centre of the city on a bridge (oops, corrected in edit) viaduct so platform access at the stations along it is in general through subways. Berlin Hbf is a special case as it has multiple levels of trains...! In Hamburg although the station is on an embankment as the line goes out over the Alster lake, it has footbridges between the platforms.
 
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Although underpasses need less steps footbridges are much nicer to use in many cases, less crime and smell.
 

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Surely an underpass would have made more sense at the new Reston Station.
Not according to the latest rules. It was mentioned in the main Reston construction thread, and ramps were ruled out as they had to be far too long. The latest rules would have required lifts as well as ramps anyway, because of the height difference from ground to platform.
 

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In general I concur with other posters that the lie of the land is the main factor. Some German cases come to mind:

1. With the Prussian takeover (sorry, German unification), some early terminus stations were sometimes replaced with through stations which suited the military in particular. This means building in already urbanised areas and (as in London and Manchester) it was much easier to build on arches than to build at ground level and raise the road network.
(Exception to prove the rule - Lübeck is at ground level and has a footbridge!)

2. In some cases the original railway had been built at ground level with several level crossings; as traffic grew the best solution was to rebuild at a higher level - Erfurt Hbf is the case I have in mind.
 

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The other reason for going for underpasses outside the UK is the very high loading gauge. I remember an east German station I visited in the 90s which had footbridges, though I forget where, and they were noticeably much higher than UK ones.
 

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Quite a number of major stations here do have underpasses though: Bristol TM; Cardiff Central (and Queen Street); Doncaster; Salisbury; Taunton all quickly spring to my mind and I’m sure others will occur to other Forum members.

And we have stations with both: Guildford being an obvious example.
 

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Quite a number of major stations here do have underpasses though: Bristol TM; Cardiff Central (and Queen Street); Doncaster; Salisbury; Taunton all quickly spring to my mind and I’m sure others will occur to other Forum members.

And we have stations with both: Guildford being an obvious example.
Clapham Junction has both too, though I'm not sure of when either the footbridge or the subway were built. Also not sure if that'll be the case if/when it's rebuilt for Crossrail 2 though.
 

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The other reason for going for underpasses outside the UK is the very high loading gauge. I remember an east German station I visited in the 90s which had footbridges, though I forget where, and they were noticeably much higher than UK ones.
India has a comparatively massive loading gauge and uses over bridges as a matter of course.
 

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British legacy?

I would imagine more to do with the huge volumes of passengers. Sometimes trains consist of 20 or more broad gauge coaches, packed solid. 2 of those at at an island platform and a subway wouldn't really cut it. The over bridges are massive structures, often with sloped ramps alongside the steps
 

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I would imagine more to do with the huge volumes of passengers. Sometimes trains consist of 20 or more broad gauge coaches, packed solid. 2 of those at at an island platform and a subway wouldn't really cut it. The over bridges are massive structures, often with sloped ramps alongside the steps
Also possibly because it's easier to retrofit a footbridge than a subway, if you neglected to build a subway before the line opened.
 

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The main advantage with subways is fewer steps or shorter ramps.

In countries with lower platforms would be 2 steps less in a subway, or 2 more on a footbridge.

Where line is raised, it was usually easier to build a subway than expect people to climb additional stairs (lifts being relatively recent addition).
 

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Actually, I suspect if you analysed the 'crossing the tracks' methods at stations around the world, the majority (given that most stations are small ones) would have a either a flat foot crossing or use an adjacent public road crossing (level, bridge or underpass) to get between the platforms.

i will throw cost in - tunnelling has to be vastly more expensive than building a preformed bridge
I agree with that - and craning in a pre-fabricated footbridge is a relatively quick operation, so minimising line closure time to install them.

One thought that occurs about India - it has monsoon rains, so I suspect there is a high risk of subways getting flooded at times.
 
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Leamington Spa, Solihull, Warwick Parkway and Warwick ( Town ) all have subways. The first three have lifts. Warwick has been supposed to be getting lifts for years but still no physical progress. I don't know if when Warwick Parkway was built the subway was totally new or there was already an underpass.

I recall Lichfield City and Plymouth have a subway plus lifts. Also Carlisle has both but the subway is only served by lifts, if there are steps they are not for public use.
 

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Worcester Foregate St and Shrewsbury, both built high up, only have subways, although there is a public right of way footbridge over Shrewsbury station without railway access.
Warrington (BQ and Central) and Wigan NW, all built at a high level, have subways and no bridge.
Rugby is the same.
 

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Leeds is an odd one- used to have a subway and a bridge (and a second bridge not for public use). Now has two bridges open to the public and still has the staff-only bridge, but the subway was infilled in the 2000 rebuild.
 

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An example of the lie land theory is with the Greenwich line, where leaving London
Deptford (on a viaduct) has a subway
Greenwich (at ground level) has a subway
Maze Hill (at ground level) has a bridge
Westcombe Park (at ground level) has a subway
Charlton (in a cutting) has a bridge
Woolwich Dockyard (in a cutting) has a bridge
Woolwich Arsenal (in a cutting) has a bridge
 

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And (at least) one station with both, but not at the same time! Oxford's subway was replaced by a footbridge.
Didn’t Bristol TM go the other way (or was the pre-rebuild footbridge in addition to the current subway?)

Leamington Spa, Solihull, Warwick Parkway and Warwick ( Town ) all have subways. The first three have lifts. Warwick has been supposed to be getting lifts for years but still no physical progress. I don't know if when Warwick Parkway was built the subway was totally new or there was already an underpass.

I recall Lichfield City and Plymouth have a subway plus lifts. Also Carlisle has both but the subway is only served by lifts, if there are steps they are not for public use.
Seem to remember that the use of an existing cattle creep was held up as an example of the advantage of a development not led by Railtrack (who had said it couldn’t be done)
 

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The underpasses at York used to be for staff use only. I would guess that this was when they had a lot of mail/parcels and the like to move about the station, so when they became redundant to that sort of work they decided to open them to the public. It also gave passengers access to the lifts.
 
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