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P&O Ferries to permanently stop accepting foot passengers on their Dover to Calais route.

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It has been reported online that P&O Ferries are going to be permanently banning foot passengers from the Dover to Calais ferries from the beginning of next year. There does not seem to be an official statement published for this yet but i have spoken to someone from P&O who has confirmed this is the case. So there is only about a month left of allowing foot passengers on this route.

This means that you will need to use the Newhaven to Dieppe ferry from now on if you are a foot passenger. This is really your only option now. It is a great ferry and quite cheap too but it adds a lot of time to your journey for a lot of destinations.

Alternatively you can continue to use the ferries from Dover to Calais or from Dover to Dunkirk run by any of the three operators (DFDS Ferries or P&O Ferries or Irish Ferries) simply by using your bicycle. They all still accept bicycle passengers and you just go to the same place that the cars go. So that is a simple option to get around it if you still want to use this route.

I do recommend the Newhaven to Dieppe ferry as this is quite a nice pleasant route and an enjoyable ferry ride. I normally use this route. Newhaven itself is a complete and utter dump but Dieppe is actually quite nice. The train ride from Dieppe to Rouen and onwards from Rouen to Paris or wherever is quite a nice scenic ride too.

On the Newhaven to Dieppe route they have always accepted foot passengers at all times even on the night sailings. In fact during the corona virus when all of the other cross channel ferries at various ports suspended foot passengers onboard the Newhaven to Dieppe ferry continued to accept foot passengers. It was the only foot passenger ferry for a while. So i think it is unlikely that the Newhaven to Dieppe route will stop accepting foot passengers.

Also on the Newhaven to Dieppe route foot passengers are charged a flat rate regardless of whether you book in advance online or just turn up at the ferry port before your ferry and purchase right there:

£31.00 - Single
£46.00 - Return (within 0-5 days)
£56.00 - Return (within 5-10 days)
£62.00 - Return (within 10+ days)

These tickets can just be purchased on the day at the ferry port so it is very convenient ticketing. Also the fares are quite cheap compared to other routes. So the Newhaven to Dieppe route is certainly a good option to consider.

The state of our ferries is such a shame these days. So many that no longer take foot passengers. It was so much better a couple decades ago.

There is no other decent option. There is no local cross channel train service. Eurostar is utterly extortionate. I am normally charged around £200 for a Single or £400 for a Return just to go to Paris or Brussels which is only about two hours. I always purchase my Eurostar ticket on the day at the station just before my train so i do understand there are cheaper tickets in advance and online. However even in the UK our domestic trains do not cost that much to purchase a ticket on the day at the station. So there needs to be more options for foot passengers. The remaining Newhaven to Dieppe ferry is great but it adds a lot of time to your journey depending on where you are going.

Also over the last fifteen years or so we have lost all of our direct ferry routes from the UK to, Belgium, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Germany, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and the remaining ones left to, France, Netherlands, Spain, have been reduced a lot or many no longer take foot passengers. So many of our old routes are gone. I have memories of taking the ferry from Scrabster (near Thurso and Wick in the far north) to Seythisfjorthur in Iceland a few times in the late 2000s but that route is gone now. I wonder how many will be left in another ten or twenty years.
 
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The Channel Tunnel should never have been built. It made short notice cross Channel rail travel unviable except for business travel.
 

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The Channel Tunnel should never have been built. It made short notice cross Channel rail travel unviable except for business travel.
That short notice travel is unviable is not an inevitable consequence of building the tunnel - merely a failure to regulate correctly - something that is in the government’s power if there is enough pressure. Trouble is, there isn’t!
 

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The Channel Tunnel should never have been built. It made short notice cross Channel rail travel unviable except for business travel.

How many people really need to cross the Channel on a whim?

Foot pax travel on P&O was grim anyway. No luggage checkin, lots of standing around and immigration staff treating you like an illegal.
 

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The entire process of using the foot passenger service from Dover had gotten so slow and awkward it was basically useless to all but the most determined or desperate anyway.

Yet another example of the reality of "going green" being effectively impossible versus the torrent of virtue signalling bullsh!t we are fed 24/7.

Those ferries and the CTRL have huge spare passenger capacity with near zero carbon footprint as they run for freight/cars anyway yet nobody can be bothered lifting a finger to promote the use of them.

What should be provided, especially as the local (Ashford) Eurostar services look to be gone for good, is a regular station to station through coach link Calais to Dover, Folkestone or Ashford via ferry or tunnel with competitive through fares on both sides.
 

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Brittany Ferries take foot passengers on all or nearly all routes.

Yes. Most recently, when Eurostar was ridiculously expensive, we've used Brittany Ferries out (and DFDS back to Newhaven) Condor is still an option as well.
 
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How many people really need to cross the Channel on a whim?

Foot pax travel on P&O was grim anyway. No luggage checkin, lots of standing around and immigration staff treating you like an illegal.

It was basically turn up and ride with choice of ferry, hovercraft and Seacat. Plus regular ferries to Oostende.
 

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Very disappointing. A 30 minute walk across Dieppe and no direct to London train should not be the "best option".
 

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It was basically turn up and ride with choice of ferry, hovercraft and Seacat. Plus regular ferries to Oostende.

But how many people actually did it? Not that many I bet.

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Very disappointing. A 30 minute walk across Dieppe and no direct to London train should not be the "best option".

It is a better option than Calais to Dover, having done both!
 

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The Channel Tunnel should never have been built. It made short notice cross Channel rail travel unviable except for business travel.
Surely only a very small amount of people pay on the day for such journeys.

Personally, I think this decision reflects the success of the Channel Tunnel dominating non-vehicular traffic.
 

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Surely only a very small amount of people pay on the day for such journeys.

Personally, I think this decision reflects the success of the Channel Tunnel dominating non-vehicular traffic.
Yes, that's true nowadays. But it was a realistic option before the Channel Tunnel opened.

For short term travel, say booking a few days in advance, flying is the only affordable option these days. For Eurostar, you generally need to book weeks in advance.
 

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I predict that by the DFDS or Irish ferries or both will miraculously start accepting foot passengers from around February. DFDS would seem the more obvious choice with a regular 3 or is it it 4 ship service including the brand new one
 

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You can get pretty cheap Eurostar tickets with an Interrail pass; which is valid in your own country for outbound and inbound travel days.
 

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What should be provided, especially as the local (Ashford) Eurostar services look to be gone for good, is a regular station to station through coach link Calais to Dover, Folkestone or Ashford via ferry or tunnel with competitive through fares on both sides.

We had that for about a year around 1998. The Connex coach service did a circle between Ashford, Cité Europe and Calais Ville.
 

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Foot passengers can still use Harwich-Hook I think, although the connection in NL is now by tram to Rotterdam.
It is the metro that takes you from the ferry port to Rotterdam actually. It replaced the railway a few years ago. The trams do not go as far out as the ferry port.
 

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Flying was still expensive back then, so rail-sea-rail may have been more popular than flying, at least for leisure travel.
Rail-sea-rail was (tolerably) well catered for. But that was a different kettle of fish - even 40+ years ago when I last did a day trip to Boulogne and Calais, the ferry terminal in Calais was pretty inaccessible on foot and Eastern Docks wasn't brilliant. The ferries themselves were no problem, I agree (especially pre the Zeebrugge disaster).
 

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Seems to me that the recent Eurostar 'sale' actually heralded a reduction in the proportion of cheap tickets availalble in advance. I 've been going back and forth for twenty + years pretty regularly and have never seen a situation where midweek, months ahead and not in a holiday season can't get you the lowest lowest price bracket as seems the case now.
 

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It has been reported online that P&O Ferries are going to be permanently banning foot passengers from the Dover to Calais ferries from the beginning of next year. There does not seem to be an official statement published for this yet but i have spoken to someone from P&O who has confirmed this is the case. So there is only about a month left of allowing foot passengers on this route.

This means that you will need to use the Newhaven to Dieppe ferry from now on if you are a foot passenger. This is really your only option now. It is a great ferry and quite cheap too but it adds a lot of time to your journey for a lot of destinations.

Alternatively you can continue to use the ferries from Dover to Calais or from Dover to Dunkirk run by any of the three operators (DFDS Ferries or P&O Ferries or Irish Ferries) simply by using your bicycle. They all still accept bicycle passengers and you just go to the same place that the cars go. So that is a simple option to get around it if you still want to use this route.

I do recommend the Newhaven to Dieppe ferry as this is quite a nice pleasant route and an enjoyable ferry ride. I normally use this route. Newhaven itself is a complete and utter dump but Dieppe is actually quite nice. The train ride from Dieppe to Rouen and onwards from Rouen to Paris or wherever is quite a nice scenic ride too.

On the Newhaven to Dieppe route they have always accepted foot passengers at all times even on the night sailings. In fact during the corona virus when all of the other cross channel ferries at various ports suspended foot passengers onboard the Newhaven to Dieppe ferry continued to accept foot passengers. It was the only foot passenger ferry for a while. So i think it is unlikely that the Newhaven to Dieppe route will stop accepting foot passengers.

Also on the Newhaven to Dieppe route foot passengers are charged a flat rate regardless of whether you book in advance online or just turn up at the ferry port before your ferry and purchase right there:

£31.00 - Single
£46.00 - Return (within 0-5 days)
£56.00 - Return (within 5-10 days)
£62.00 - Return (within 10+ days)

These tickets can just be purchased on the day at the ferry port so it is very convenient ticketing. Also the fares are quite cheap compared to other routes. So the Newhaven to Dieppe route is certainly a good option to consider.

The state of our ferries is such a shame these days. So many that no longer take foot passengers. It was so much better a couple decades ago.

There is no other decent option. There is no local cross channel train service. Eurostar is utterly extortionate. I am normally charged around £200 for a Single or £400 for a Return just to go to Paris or Brussels which is only about two hours. I always purchase my Eurostar ticket on the day at the station just before my train so i do understand there are cheaper tickets in advance and online. However even in the UK our domestic trains do not cost that much to purchase a ticket on the day at the station. So there needs to be more options for foot passengers. The remaining Newhaven to Dieppe ferry is great but it adds a lot of time to your journey depending on where you are going.

Also over the last fifteen years or so we have lost all of our direct ferry routes from the UK to, Belgium, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Germany, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and the remaining ones left to, France, Netherlands, Spain, have been reduced a lot or many no longer take foot passengers. So many of our old routes are gone. I have memories of taking the ferry from Scrabster (near Thurso and Wick in the far north) to Seythisfjorthur in Iceland a few times in the late 2000s but that route is gone now. I wonder how many will be left in another ten or twenty years.
Brittany Ferries from Portsmouth.
 

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Mostly even cheaper as the walk-on fare for this Newh-Dp ferry is the direct BUS (coach for british language, but europeans use that word for a train-wagon) London-Paris/Brussel-or other points. And the bus uses- this ferry, or the other company. Without all the hassles on both sides at portside-but not that straightforward boarding either compared to on the continent rides. Probably has mostly to do with all these British fears of getting illegals migrants in, I guess? Passpt/customs checks before boarding going UK at the FRench side-going the other way on both sides, I think. Yes-the same rather degrading experience as other only in their own feet pax get there. For many, many yrs I enjoyed to a certain degree the usual quite good service of National Express, that is no more. Its now mostly the pale eco-green FLIXbus or the much less known and not a well-chosen name BlaBla (also offering car-share-rides, but do not know if even that might be possible to GB), an offspring of what once was a not that money-making setup of French Railways.
All this-if it goes ahead-must also mean a well-loved mr. Mark Smith has to rewrite quite some items in his seat61.com site.
BTW-for those who despise these things on wheels-some trips can even offer shorter rides like Dover-Lille.
 

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They don't. It is not a journey 'usually' made.
Why not? Similar cross-channel ferries elsewhere attract lots of commuters, businessmen or entertainment travellers, such as Hong Kong - Macau, Shenzhen - Zhuhai, Helsinki - Tallinn, etc. On the former two, the ferries don't even carry cars at all.

Even the bridge didn't kill the Hong Kong - Macau ferry (COVID killed it).
 

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Rail-sea-rail was (tolerably) well catered for. But that was a different kettle of fish - even 40+ years ago when I last did a day trip to Boulogne and Calais, the ferry terminal in Calais was pretty inaccessible on foot and Eastern Docks wasn't brilliant. The ferries themselves were no problem, I agree (especially pre the Zeebrugge disaster).

Though the train-boat connection years ago was via Western Docks, where there was a station alongside.... There were even instances of a ferry leaving Eastern Docks with vehicles, and then picking up foot passengers from the rail-connected Western Docks, before heading across the Channel.

And, as has been pointed out, the service to Ostend was excellent for integrated rail-ferry journeys; in fact that port and station are still linked ... but it's just that there are no passenger ferries to Ostend now.
 

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The Channel Tunnel should never have been built. It made short notice cross Channel rail travel unviable except for business travel.

That is the fault of government/UK authorities not the tunnel concept.

There could quite easily have been a local service* Ashford or Folkestone - Calais from the day the tunnel opened (in addition to Eurostar and Le Shuttle), but the UK government's 'hysteria' about safety aspects of the tunnel rolling stock and the perceived terrorist threat kyboshed any chance of a sensible arrangement - viz the Channel Tunnel night stock debacle.

* - the first train to carry passengers through the tunnel was a Thameslink class 319 for heavens' sake! Absolute proof that there are no actual technical barriers to a local service using non specialist stock. Without the ridiculous over zealous requirements for any rolling stock to be passed for use in the tunnel local EMUs could have been employed, and existing SNCF night stock used on night services from London.
 
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