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Without any doubt First Aberdeens ADL Enviro 200MMC vehicles feel like there in an atrocious state.

The one I had tonight was leaning over on its suspension, very noisy front suspension and an engine that did not sound healthy let alone the gearbox which feels as though it’s not in great health either.

Aberdeens very old single decker Volvos truly put anything that Dennis does to shame!

I really could not care less about the reasons they’ve purchased such vehicles, it simply feels like absolute neglect on Firsts part to purchase such shoddy models.
 
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When it does finally get to that time for replacing them, what are they even gonna be replaced with?

They don't really have an abundance of options given the capacity needs for the 1&2
There is the Enviro 400 XLB but I’m not sure if it is something that they would consider purchasing.
 

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With the change in university usage since COVID there is really only a need for a high capacity service on the 1 and 2 for 10 weeks a year, so it is likely normal double deckers will suffice.
 

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There is the Enviro 400 XLB but I’m not sure if it is something that they would consider purchasing.
Enviro400XLBs likely would have issues getting around RGU, Balgownie and Ashwood.

In the short term the replacements are most likely going to be E400MMCs cascaded from Glasgow, however in the long term it really depends what happens with Aberdeen Rapid Transit (ART) and if it actually goes ahead.

Deckers (including the E500s) don't really suit the 1/2 in my opinion artics work much better, although the B7LAs were far better laid out internally than the Citaros are. Despite the 1/2 having been primarily Enviro500 operated for seven and a half years now you still find more often than not that the E500s will run with the lower deck fully seated and with standees meanwhile upstairs will be 1/3rd full if that, in contrast those same people that refuse to go upstairs on a decker will happily go right up to the back of an articulated bus.
 

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Enviro400XLBs likely would have issues getting around RGU, Balgownie and Ashwood.

In the short term the replacements are most likely going to be E400MMCs cascaded from Glasgow, however in the long term it really depends what happens with Aberdeen Rapid Transit (ART) and if it actually goes ahead.

Deckers (including the E500s) don't really suit the 1/2 in my opinion artics work much better, although the B7LAs were far better laid out internally than the Citaros are. Despite the 1/2 having been primarily Enviro500 operated for seven and a half years now you still find more often than not that the E500s will run with the lower deck fully seated and with standees meanwhile upstairs will be 1/3rd full if that, in contrast those same people that refuse to go upstairs on a decker will happily go right up to the back of an articulated bus.
I think the ART going ahead will be the only way the 1/2 will be getting new artic vehicles.

I agree they are the best option and solution, however I just don’t see First ordering any artic vehicles. Not to mention there aren’t many in the U.K. market and with the right amount of orders ADL or Wright may consider it - but as I say with the right amount of orders. That may mean having to order them for other cities which could be chaos. Bendy buses didn’t work particularly well outwith Aberdeen. They were unsuitable for Glasgow, as much as I’d love to see them on the 2 and 9 again.
 

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The last I heard they were talking about normal buses for the ART, so artics are unlikely with their additional cost.
 
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When it does finally get to that time for replacing them, what are they even gonna be replaced with?

They don't really have an abundance of options given the capacity needs for the 1&2
There are actually pretty decent options available but nothing the company say it would buy given that they don’t want to buy anymore diesels.

With the change in university usage since COVID there is really only a need for a high capacity service on the 1 and 2 for 10 weeks a year, so it is likely normal double deckers will suffice.
In part, that is certainly true, which is why both the 1 & 2 do not both need something particularly high capacity.

A mixed approach would work best.

Enviro400XLBs likely would have issues getting around RGU, Balgownie and Ashwood.
Nope..RGU & Balgownie would both be fine with XLBs.

Ashwood most likely would require a 3 point turn with an XLB if it were the full length 13.4m model.

If only Volvo were able to fit rear wheel steering to tighten the turning circle on those.

In the short term the replacements are most likely going to be E400MMCs cascaded from Glasgow, however in the long term it really depends what happens with Aberdeen Rapid Transit (ART) and if it actually goes ahead.
Not enough seats down stairs on those short 400MMC vehicles.

Deckers (including the E500s) don't really suit the 1/2 in my opinion artics work much better, although the B7LAs were far better laid out internally than the Citaros are. Despite the 1/2 having been primarily Enviro500 operated for seven and a half years now you still find more often than not that the E500s will run with the lower deck fully seated and with standees meanwhile upstairs will be 1/3rd full if that, in contrast those same people that refuse to go upstairs on a decker will happily go right up to the back of an articulated bus.
Even in Edinburgh and Glasgow the lower deck most likely is full before the top deck is, to simplify this in Aberdeen most people are likely going a shorter distance therefore it easier just to stay down stairs.

For as long as bendy buses have been known to Aberdeen there rear door arrangement doesn’t work well on todays streets due to street furniture occasionally in the way, even when they are open the company seems to have no ambition on making sure the majority of people alight at the rear door.

Personally I find that Route 1 is particularly suited to the Enviro 400XLB even at 13.4m whilst Route 2 could easily operate a long 11.5m Enviro 400MMC.

The XLBs at 13.4m can accommodate a decent seated capacity on the lower deck even whilst a space for a wheelchair bay, a separate buggy space and even a small luggage rack for students suitcases going from King St whilst having a dual-door set up that would not be nearly as prone to issues with street furniture given those exit doors are in the middle of the vehicle.
 

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67890 has now arrived in Aberdeen with 67088 transferring to Glasgow in exchange.

New post 23/05/2023

Yutong E12 65124 is out on driver familiarisation duties today:
 
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67890 has now arrived in Aberdeen with 67088 transferring to Glasgow in exchange.

New post 23/05/2023

Yutong E12 65124 is out on driver familiarisation duties today
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It’s just to give the drivers an experience with the digital mirrors, that’s all.
 

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Bit of a random question here but are the digital mirrors active all the time or only when the bus is turned on?
 

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Does anyone know what the plans are for the B7RLE’s once the new yutongs come in? Are they all headed for the scrap?
 
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Does anyone know what the plans are for the B7RLE’s once the new yutongs come in? Are they all headed for the scrap?
For buses as old as they are they put much of the newer stock to shame, you can simply and categorically not go wrong with a Volvo.

But word round the grapevine some of them will be earmarked for training buses, but most will be scrapped.
 

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When a Volvo turns up for your shift you feel a sense of relaxation as you know it will be an easy drive with plenty of power, stop when you want them to and keep to time with ease. 5 hours in a streetlite makes you feel like you've driven for 10 hours, 5 hours in a Volvo and your suprise its time to get off! They will be missed and nothing has been as good since
 

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Ex-Glasgow 67890 entered service today on the 11/11A, 67806 is yet to enter service as it needs the entire front axle replaced.
Does anyone know what the plans are for the B7RLE’s once the new yutongs come in? Are they all headed for the scrap?
69125-34/254/58/63/65/66/67/82/83/84 were fitted with Eminox exhaust kits last year and as such are Euro 6 / LEZ complaint, they are due to become the new training fleet at Aberdeen and Glasgow replacing the existing non-LEZ compliant Euro 3 B7RLEs. The Euro 4 examples not upgraded 69290/294/354/356/357 are to be disposed of unless another operating company requires them at short notice. Further to this in December 69351/52/55 transferred to Cymru to join their training fleet meanwhile 69353 was withdrawn after it's engine failed and is currently being stripped of all useable parts.
For buses as old as they are they put much of the newer stock to shame, you can simply and categorically not go wrong with a Volvo.

But word round the grapevine some of them will be earmarked for training buses, but most will be scrapped.
It was confirmed a few months back when enquiries were made regarding preserving one of the native 07 plate examples. I assume you've driven 69283 while at Aberdeen, it doesn't half shift... :lol:


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I saw a TikTok saying 38203 & 69129 are withdrawn, must be fake.

Good they aren't withdrawn, both beasts I'm assuming.
69129 returned from Volvo last week, was put through a fresh MOT this morning and returned to service on the 23 this afternoon.
 
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65110 has received Aberdeen branding in the style of the ones loaned to First Glasgow.
 

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I presume that there is now a charging facility at the depot in use, as they are back using 65110 on the road now. They had recently been using the other two after 65110 presumably had used all its charge when they initially used it for training.
 

Jordan Adam

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Glasgow Geminis 37190, 37196, 37220 & 37273 arrived at King Street Depot overnight. I would assume these are to help cover the shuttle and Park & Ride services First are operating this weekend for the European Pipe Band Championships at Duthie Park.
 
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