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Storm Gerrit related disruptions-27/12/23

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londonmidland

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Yep. And East Midlands planned engineering works between Leicester and Kettering, so basically Leicester south is ugly.
Having a quick look at the live departures from St. Pancras, it looks like there’s zero Thameslink and East Midlands Railway services running from here.

All of them are showing up as either delayed or cancelled.

The Open Train Times live signalling map also shows virtually zero trains between Bedford and St. Pancras, although I’m not sure how accurate/up to date this is.
 
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Having a quick look at the live departures from St. Pancras, it looks like there’s zero Thameslink and East Midlands Railway services running from here.

All of them are showing up as either delayed or cancelled.

The Open Train Times live signalling map also shows virtually zero trains between Bedford and St. Pancras, although I’m not sure how accurate/up to date this is.
OTT maps and Traksy are accurate. I'm on 9T22 to Bedford (currently approaching St Albans) and we haven't passed anything in the other direction since London Bridge!
 

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Yes fancy LNER organising all this dreadful weather just so they can down tools. Scandalous!!
Whether that has been forecast for several days yet there isn’t a contingency in place….just telling people to book hotels is a cop out as not everyone has access to funds to do that. What if you’re stuck at a station that doesn’t have a hotel nearby?
 

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People should have travel insurance for this sort of thing, however many seem to think that travel insurance is only for foreign trips.
 

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1215 to Glasgow Central. (Expt 12.50 or later as inbound Very Late) Est. Arrival in Glasgow 15.20

All found using RTT - May be subject to Delays.
That one was indeed cancelled, as was reported upthread by @londonmidland in post #10. Flooding at Sanquhar?

Perhaps operating a limited Carlisle-Dumfries 'shuttle' might be the best that can be hoped for just now.
 

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Yet another day of LNER giving up and leaving their customers to fend for themselves. It’s happening far too often to believe this company is fit for purpose.
Given the ‘company’ is OLR, what would you suggest they are replaced by?
 

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People should have travel insurance for this sort of thing, however many seem to think that travel insurance is only for foreign trips.
When I’ve looked at domestic travel insurance, there’s frequently an exclusion that it only covers trips where you stay in paid for accommodation. So a trip to stay with family as would be common at this time might not be covered even if you had insurance.
 

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Given the ‘company’ is OLR, what would you suggest they are replaced by?
Who said the company needed replacing? A management team focussed on delivering the day job of getting people from A to B would be a start. Too must attention is wasted on peripheral ‘social’ issues.
 

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Who said the company needed replacing? A management team focussed on delivering the day job of getting people from A to B would be a start. Too must attention is wasted on peripheral ‘social’ issues.
You said the company wasn’t fit for purpose, which pretty much implies there should be something else.
Given the staff are TUPEd across, changing the management team essentially is replacing the company.
 

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People should have travel insurance for this sort of thing, however many seem to think that travel insurance is only for foreign trips.
I've had reason to stay in a hotel on a Friday night after trying to get home from normal work. Should I buy insurance for commuting to and from work just in case?
 

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Should I buy insurance for commuting to and from work just in case?
Can you actually buy insurance that covers you for that particular risk (of having to stay in a hotel when you can't travel home after a failure of the rail service)? Surely it should be the railway that stumps up for the cost of such emergency overnight accommodation if it can't get you home?
 

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People should have travel insurance for this sort of thing, however many seem to think that travel insurance is only for foreign trips.
That's too prescriptive, it might well be your view but it's not mine. Insurance, primarily, is to satisfy a legal requirement or to cover a potential cost which might be impossible otherwise. So I don't have building contents insurance, I view it as a waste of money. I don't buy travel insurance even for foreign travel automatically, but I currently have an all-world annual policy in place because I went to Japan and the USA earlier this year, and it has exclusions for medical cover for UK-only trips but not for other things such as travel delay. Which is good because I hope to be going to Edinburgh by train in a couple of weeks.
EDIT And I would not take out travel insurance for UK-only trips, but I just happen to have cover now until May so it was a good pointer to check its terms and conditions for a UK trip.
 

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Is it just the cheapest hotel or could someone fork out and claim it all back - is there a limit to prices?
 

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People should have travel insurance for this sort of thing, however many seem to think that travel insurance is only for foreign trips.

It largely is. Almost no policies exist covering domestic travel with fewer than 2 nights away exist.

Can you actually buy insurance that covers you for that particular risk (of having to stay in a hotel when you can't travel home after a failure of the rail service)? Surely it should be the railway that stumps up for the cost of such emergency overnight accommodation if it can't get you home?

There are very few such policies on the market if any that don't require a minimum of two nights away for a domestic trip.
 

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Av*nti doing their usual and telling people not to travel north of Preston despite the line being open at the moment from Preston to Carlisle and TPE services operating - 1204 Glasgow to Liverpool has just started on time from Carlisle at 1328 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G67317/2023-12-27/detailed#allox_id=0

I appreciate operationally their staff split at Preston, but to turn around and just say it's too hard to serve Preston to Carlisle and not to travel - regardless of whether they operate the occasional service on that section - is the usual abdication of duty from a shockingly bad TOC.

Then you have an increasing number of people who were already en route stuck at Preston.

I've posted many times before about this - this "extreme" weather is happening literally every few weeks now. Does nobody sit down in the single brain cell that is Av*nti HQ and make any sort of a plan for disruption whatsoever?
 

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Parents are planning on heading upto leuchars via EDI haymarket from kings X and the lner website itself tells me that the train at 1500 is still scheduled to depart on time but the national rail website (https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/leuchars-for-st-andrews/) is not showing their train anymore. Anyone knows why?
The line is closed between Cupar and Leuchars because of heavy flooding with no estimated time for reopening.
 

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A large squall line is developing, stretching from the South West to the North West, heading North East, which could cause further issues. Typically a short period of very strong winds and intense rainfall occur when the squall line passes over.

Picture shows a squall line in development, stretching from the South West to the North West, heading in a North Easterly direction.
 

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Av*nti doing their usual and telling people not to travel north of Preston despite the line being open at the moment from Preston to Carlisle and TPE services operating - 1204 Glasgow to Liverpool has just started on time from Carlisle at 1328 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G67317/2023-12-27/detailed#allox_id=0

I appreciate operationally their staff split at Preston, but to turn around and just say it's too hard to serve Preston to Carlisle and not to travel - regardless of whether they operate the occasional service on that section - is the usual abdication of duty from a shockingly bad TOC.

Then you have an increasing number of people who were already en route stuck at Preston.

I've posted many times before about this - this "extreme" weather is happening literally every few weeks now. Does nobody sit down in the single brain cell that is Av*nti HQ and make any sort of a plan for disruption whatsoever?
100% agree
 

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Av*nti doing their usual and telling people not to travel north of Preston despite the line being open at the moment from Preston to Carlisle and TPE services operating - 1204 Glasgow to Liverpool has just started on time from Carlisle at 1328 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G67317/2023-12-27/detailed#allox_id=0

I appreciate operationally their staff split at Preston, but to turn around and just say it's too hard to serve Preston to Carlisle and not to travel - regardless of whether they operate the occasional service on that section - is the usual abdication of duty from a shockingly bad TOC.

Then you have an increasing number of people who were already en route stuck at Preston.

I've posted many times before about this - this "extreme" weather is happening literally every few weeks now. Does nobody sit down in the single brain cell that is Av*nti HQ and make any sort of a plan for disruption whatsoever?
Their complete abandonment of the line north of Preston at the drop of a hat is appalling. Happens far too often.
 

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Was at Carlisle and ended up needing to get the 11:15 turn back to Preston. They decided to stick 4 train loads of passengers on a 5 car 397 and told them to change at Preston… onto the 11 car pendolino that was starting from Carlisle…

At Preston there is a queue spanning the footbridge and onwards to the end of platform 4 full of people waiting for taxis. It really is a sorry sight.
 

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I am watching Heathrow as we speaking and it's non stop take offs and landings

From where? Plenty taking off and landing at Edinburgh, Glasgow (including an A380!), Manchester, Heathrow, Gatwick - there’s no flight suspension.

"Eighteen British Airways flights cancelled
Eighteen domestic British Airways flights have been cancelled.

Air traffic control restrictions mean the BA flights due to operate to or from London’s Heathrow Airport were axed."

From the Telegraph. Admittedly it's not all flights as you have stated but certainly it isn't disruption free today if you're flying domestically.
 
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Carlisle always forgotten by Avanti.
It's not just Carlisle. Avanti wash their hands of Lancaster, the Lakes Line and Penrith.

Most connections at Oxenholme for Kendal and Windermere depend on Avanti services; so now 80% of journeys are "cancelled" according to National Rail.

Maybe we need Northern to provide an hourly "stopper" north of Preston?! OR else Avanti get some staff at Carlisle.
 
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