Class 221s need the rear door locked out at Low Moor and Pontefract Monkhill. A 180 doesn't have a passenger door at that end of the carriage.
Do the Mk5a not have SDO? Presumably that would eliminate most of the problem.
Class 221s need the rear door locked out at Low Moor and Pontefract Monkhill. A 180 doesn't have a passenger door at that end of the carriage.
The above photo shows the platform overhang at Pontefract
Yes but the post quoted was specifically about the Mk5a sets.
Potentially, but any 80x will surely have ASDO so that wouldn't be a significant problem.
Class 221s need the rear door locked out at Low Moor and Pontefract Monkhill. A 180 doesn't have a passenger door at that end of the carriage.
The above photo shows the platform overhang at Pontefract
I would imagine as long as the guard can see the whole platformed area there won't be a problem, there are much longer overhangs at many places (e.g. Liverpool South Parkway with an 8 car 350, only the front 4 carriages fit on the 124m platform)
Well, they did recently take on an order from First Group for their open access operations, so clearly they are willing to entertain more orders. If Hitachi UK wants to continue building trains, they will need to take on new orders, so that makes sense
While this is true, that leaves the Hitachi 80x option, the CAF 897/new LNER fleet option, and maybe the Stadler FLIRT option, that last one is the most debatable though.
Yes, Mk5A stock is fitted with SDO. It was used regularly at, for example, Malton prior to the platforms there being extended.
Do you have a source for that? I’m not aware of an announcement…
They’re not LNER’s to give. And LNER would have to do a follow-on order for the new CAF units to replace them, which will cost. Why should the state support an Open Access Operator?
Who said anything about state support?
Hitachi need orders. The additional orders from Lumo/HT is a smalL sticking plaster to cover a gap in orders before hs2 stock starts to be built.
Doubt they'd need more diesel power than in a 755, when will they need to do more than 90 away from the wires?
Because the state (through Agility Trains) procured them. LNER might be having buyer's remorse but they can't simply shuffle them off elsewhere. GC probably can't take over the remaining lease, and I doubt they'd want to.
No but if they wanted to "upgrade" then part of the decision making process would have been to consider where they might go. It wouldn't be LNER's decision directly but rather the company who own the trains would give them a better deal on new stock as a result of not having these units sitting around going mouldy.
I'm not an expert on rolling stock procurement, and would never claim to be.
It's about getting the owner to allow the TOC to "hand back" the rolling stock and how much that would cost.
I meant to say "buy them".
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I don’t think IETs can be ordered as even numbers of carriages.
The 5 car order provides a 20% capacity uplift, so that’s basically an extra coach built in compared to the 180’s. And 5’s can be doubled up, whereas 6 can’t.
Yes I think people sometimes forget that the carriages are looong and you can fit a lot of seats in them (and without cramming them in either) compared to usual 23m coaches which across a 5-car train adds up to a fair bit of extra capacity by itself.
They do have an option for additional units if they gain the required access rights.