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A second ex First Bus Solo to enter service at Preston is 47745 X614OBN (ex First 40311). This, along with 47742, has recived a full refurb inside and out.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsnwtransport/11223690254/

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The third Solo to enter service at Preston is former Merseyside based 47709 MX54YZR.

I've read that Stagecoach are gaining 4 buses worth of services from the changes being made to the Fylde Villager network of routes from Monday (9th Dec). So I guess a fourth Solo should be around soon.

So far its: 47709, 47742 & 47745. All of which are in the new Solo livery.
As its an X reg it's presumably pre 'DDA' (Registered before 01/01/2001) - this suggests it has been upgraded (or at least 'up-certified') to be DDA compliant.
Many years ago Stagecoach stated that 'mini-buses' would be kept for a 12 year life, 'Midi-buses' for 14 years.
This Solo was presumably built @2000, so it is already 13 years old, so now thats it's been given an interior refurb, this suggests that Solos age well and will last a lot longer.
 
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The four extra Solos that Preston has gained to allow them to work the two Fylde based routes they started to operated this week are now accounted for.

47709 MX54YZR ex Stagecoach Merseyside
47742 W311DWX ex First 50208
47743 X612OBN ex First 40309
47745 X614OBN ex First 40311

The three ex First Bus examples joined Stagecoach through their take over of First's Chester operations.

These four buses are not dedicated to the two extra routes, they are part of the general Solo fleet which is moved around as and when needed.
 

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Where in Clitheroe have 22595 and 47248 been seen? Stagecoach haven't had a depot there for over 10 years?
 

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47248 hasn't been near Clitheroe?

22595 will have been to Steadplan, the MAN Truck & Bus dealers for work. Think the current round of recalls relates to the engine mountings.
Either way, 5 year old vehicles should not be needing that kind of attention.
 

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47248 has had a repaint at carlisle and had an internal refurbishment with Hanover L.E.D hanover blinds fitted at morecambe, see profile pic or click on flickr link below.

Looking at this alot of LCC subsided services in the lancaster area will be going next year;
http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/consultation/responses/viewdoc.asp?file_id=675

Other areas;
http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/consultation/responses/response.asp?ID=225

PVR going down or will some services be comercially run?
 
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47248 has had a repaint at carlisle and had an internal refurbishment with Hanover L.E.D hanover blinds fitted at morecambe, see profile pic or click on flickr link below.

Looking at this alot of LCC subsided services in the lancaster area will be going next year;
http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/consultation/responses/viewdoc.asp?file_id=675

Other areas;
http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/consultation/responses/response.asp?ID=225

PVR going down or will some services be comercially run?

I've not used the smaller evening routes for some years but when I use the 81a/b I was often the only person on the bus between Caton and Lancaster. I can't imagine SC would run such a service commercially as their profit thresholds are quite high if I remember correctly.

New MD at ME seems to be quite keen to make savings, some more of which we may see in Feb.

Also saw 47248 in service the other day, looks smashing! Look forward to the other 2 getting done as well, long overdue.

In case I'm not on again next week Merry Christmas one and all and a happy New Year.
 

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Remember this is LCC making cuts, not Stagecoach. The journies are currently subsidised due to low patronage, so there isn't much case for making them commercial.
 

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Lancashire is going the same way as other counties no subsidised bus services in the evenings & Sundays people need to lobby their Mps once gone these services will never return.
 

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The set of cuts on the buses is there to subsidise that B****y roadscheme. Yes the later services might not be used but plenty of the earlier ones closer to rush hour must be pretty well utilised - and it's those going too!

This is just backwards moronic thinking from a County Council - which like many others across the country have no concept whatsoever about decent integrated Transport services.

Irony in the fact that LCC are about to start building that by-pass - which is probably the biggest waste of money going. In an ideal world - Everyone worth their salt seems to know that to actually help the area out you'd build a bridge from the end of St George's Quay Road over to the Snatchems roundabout and extend SGQ road round the West of Lancaster down to the Galgate roundabout with various connecting roads back to the the A6 along the way.

Along the Morecambe Road - you could make it four lanes up to the Shrimp roundabout with bus lanes either side. Rebuilding that laughable excuse for a bus lane round the Ovangle Roundabout so it ran straight. Hell! I'd even introduce congestion charging in the area and make them use the buses!

In an even more ideal World - there'd be a bridge from Lune Road across to a new roundabout at the end of Scale Hall Lane - and for the first time we could have a 2 service running from the bus station - to the rail station and over to Morecambe! 2C anyone?

There are comments on the Guardian's website with folk saying they should scrap the bus lanes altogether. I can guess they're probably the single person in a very large car you see driving through the pedestrian crossings when on red!

Sorry. Rant over. Going for a lie down now.
 

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The bypass link is going in so that there's another box ticked (ease of access) when it comes to building Heysham 3 reactor. Here's not the place for the nuclear debate, but that project if it happens will definitely bring a lot of jobs.

It also gets rid of the lethal northbound entry slip over the Lune onto the M6. How someone hasn't been killed there I don't know...
 

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There are comments on the Guardian's website with folk saying they should scrap the bus lanes altogether.

I was stuck in traffic on Morecambe Road for nearly hour the other day, NOT one single bus used the Bus Lane between the College and Scale Hall Lane, So yes, it NOT needed! So remove it!
 

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The bypass link is going in so that there's another box ticked (ease of access) when it comes to building Heysham 3 reactor. Here's not the place for the nuclear debate, but that project if it happens will definitely bring a lot of jobs.

It also gets rid of the lethal northbound entry slip over the Lune onto the M6. How someone hasn't been killed there I don't know...

Added to that - historically - Councils have recouped money from bypass building by using spare land bought up - for housing. Easier to build houses North of Lancaster than it is on land close to the river.

Pity they'll have no money for the extra bus services needed once it's all in filled with housing though.

The bus cut backs are terrible though. I remember in the mid nineties - Whilst the Lib Dems were preaching (Nationally) about the importance of investing in public transport - the LibDem Controlled Council where I lived was slashing rural bus services - nearly leaving me stranded in my village. Yup! That was Tory cuts time too. Maybe we should introduce Toll Roads - use that money to support services.
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I was stuck in traffic on Morecambe Road for nearly hour the other day, NOT one single bus used the Bus Lane between the College and Scale Hall Lane, So yes, it NOT needed! So remove it!

That one is a bit of a disaster - badly planned and executed by LCC. A prime example of why they shouldn't be let near road design either!
 

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I was stuck in traffic on Morecambe Road for nearly hour the other day, NOT one single bus used the Bus Lane between the College and Scale Hall Lane, So yes, it NOT needed! So remove it!

Ado 16 said:
That one is a bit of a disaster - badly planned and executed by LCC. A prime example of why they shouldn't be let near road design either!

Not much goes that way tnow hough? Ironically, they took the "old" X2 off a week or two before it opened citing timing issues.

The right-through 6s, and the remaining Morecambe-bound 40/41s and the 12s are about it now?

Often wonder it it would make more sense to run the 2/12 as a circular service (out as one, back as the other) and you could do the same with the 3's- Lancaster Morecambe via Bare and back by Morecambe Road and vice versa.
 

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Added to that - historically - Councils have recouped money from bypass building by using spare land bought up - for housing.
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Have you any examples please. It would make for nice compensation claimsfrom people who have had land CPOd for highway construction then sold off for housing!!!!
 

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Have you any examples please. It would make for nice compensation claimsfrom people who have had land CPOd for highway construction then sold off for housing!!!!

Off topic for which I apologise - but since you ask; - You could say the M25 is one huge example of that. Factually though - some 15 years ago "SEERA" which was an unelected quango designed to look at the transport infrastructure in the South East of England was behind the plans for the original construction of the Hastings by-pass which was planned to cut through a swathe of Green Belt from East of Hastings over the top to the West of Bexhill. It emerged during the planning process that upon the building of the bypass the County Council would be putting in planning pemission for up to 4000 houses would be built upon the route. Once this had emerged it was ultimately what helped to kill off the original plans.

The keystone remark by one of the councillors at the time was that This was historically how councils pay for road building, by selling off the spare land compulsorily purchased, to developers.

In the case of the Hastings scenario - 4000 houses could have meant an extra 8000 cars on the road in that area and would pretty much have written off any advantages in building the thing in the first place!

In Lancaster - one advantage of building the road we are about to get - as opposed to the slightly better one I suggested - is that there is a hell of a lot of land available (between Halton - the North of Lancaster and the road for instance) that could easily be built on. Whereas - if you build the road around the West of the City with a bridge on land between the City and the River - It's not such good solid land for house building what with rising water levels etc.

But I have no evidence of that - though watch what happens when it's all completed. Bet you it happens! :)
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Not much goes that way tnow hough? Ironically, they took the "old" X2 off a week or two before it opened citing timing issues.

The right-through 6s, and the remaining Morecambe-bound 40/41s and the 12s are about it now?

Often wonder it it would make more sense to run the 2/12 as a circular service (out as one, back as the other) and you could do the same with the 3's- Lancaster Morecambe via Bare and back by Morecambe Road and vice versa.

Pity about the trees - but if you widened the road all the way up you could have bus lanes both sides! ;)
 
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Maybe the reason you didn't see a bus is because instead of spending more than 3 quid and putting the bus lane through to mcdonalds roundabout - they instead decided to just move it up to the college - I presume they then spent the money they'd saved on some more traffic lights! Marking it all out a couple of days before they came to paint the lines - lack of communication meant they painted the white line the wrong side of the line they marked out on the road making it a hazard as it isn't wide enough for a bus - therefore the buses were probably stuck in the traffic well behind you?

I was stuck in traffic on Morecambe Road for nearly hour the other day, NOT one single bus used the Bus Lane between the College and Scale Hall Lane, So yes, it NOT needed! So remove it!
 

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In an even more ideal World - there'd be a bridge from Lune Road across to a new roundabout at the end of Scale Hall Lane

There used to be a bridge there in the 1700's, Skerton Bridge was built in the 1780's, as a relief bridge, due to the volume of traffic (which in them days was horse & trap!).

we could have a 2 service running from the bus station - to the rail station and over to Morecambe! 2C anyone?


The bypass link is going in so that there's another box ticked (ease of access) when it comes to building Heysham 3 reactor. Here's not the place for the nuclear debate, but that project if it happens will definitely bring a lot of jobs.

It also gets rid of the lethal northbound entry slip over the Lune onto the M6. How someone hasn't been killed there I don't know...

BNFL offered to pay for the Heysham Link Road to built, from Jct 33, at Galgate direct to Heysham, over 50-years ago!, when the M6 motorway was first being built.
 
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Maybe the reason you didn't see a bus is because instead of spending more than 3 quid and putting the bus lane through to mcdonalds roundabout - they instead decided to just move it up to the college - I presume they then spent the money they'd saved on some more traffic lights! Marking it all out a couple of days before they came to paint the lines - lack of communication meant they painted the white line the wrong side of the line they marked out on the road making it a hazard as it isn't wide enough for a bus - therefore the buses were probably stuck in the traffic well behind you?

Lancashire Highways don't like moving lampposts. I've had this in writing from them. Therefore - instead of providing a beautifully straight Bus Lane over the the Ovangle Roundabout - we ended up with the Dog's Breakfast we have now. For the sake of a few lamp posts for a straight road so buses could whizz thought there unhindered so to provide a genuine alternative to the car chaos along there - they cheated - scrimped on the design and you have that appalling botched bus lane that's there now.

I've emailed the Highways Department a couple of times in recent years - first wondering if a decent crossing provision could be made to give access from Scale Hall Lane to the Cycle Path - but the funding for the Cycling Demonstration Town had run out by then. More recently I suggested that the Southbound Bus lane from Scale Hall Lane could be improved by cutting the grass verge off the corner so buses could continue along the bus lane without the need for traffic lights. i.e turn into Morecambe Road safely without sticking into the Eastbound traffic. Once again - Lamp posts proved to be LCC's sticking point. Their reply:

"With regard to your bus lane filter suggestion, it would appear that a segregated feed land would further divide the junction for pedestrians and would requiring a further independent pedestrian crossing facility across Scale Hall La in addition to the 3 controlled existing ones. The buses from Scale Hall Lane are currently afforded a significant priority to the traffic lights by way of a section of bus lane and although it may be feasible to filter them into the existing bus lane with Give Way markings only, the impact of this lane on pedestrian movements and costs relating to diversion of underground services, relocation of lighting columns etc may outweigh the benefits to bus users."

You wouldn't need a separate crossing as the road could operate exacly as it is now - it would just be wider. Maybe with an additional island to separate the cars from the buses. Still. Who am I to argue. :)
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There used to be a bridge there in the 1700's, Skerton Bridge was built in the 1780's, as a relief bridge, due to the volume of traffic (which in them days was horse & trap!).


I think I've seen that somewhere. Thanks for the confirmation. Travelled round by the station coming back on the 4 the other day - and all the way down to the river I thought "How fab it would be if we could just go straight across! Here!" Perfect for connecting transport links.
 
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I think I've seen that somewhere. Thanks for the confirmation. Travelled round by the station coming back on the 4 the other day - and all the way down to the river I thought "How fab it would be if we could just go straight across! Here!" Perfect for connecting transport links.

There used to be old maps on display in the City museum. I don't know if there are still there or not.
 

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Says it all really - too worried about f***ing pedestrians! If cars could actually move and indeed buses for that matter instead of waiting unneccessarily long periods at traffic lights - people wouldn't feel the need to walk! There is also a cycle path which probably cost a lot of money with a seperate bit for people to walk along - use that!


Lancashire Highways don't like moving lampposts. I've had this in writing from them. Therefore - instead of providing a beautifully straight Bus Lane over the the Ovangle Roundabout - we ended up with the Dog's Breakfast we have now. For the sake of a few lamp posts for a straight road so buses could whizz thought there unhindered so to provide a genuine alternative to the car chaos along there - they cheated - scrimped on the design and you have that appalling botched bus lane that's there now.

I've emailed the Highways Department a couple of times in recent years - first wondering if a decent crossing provision could be made to give access from Scale Hall Lane to the Cycle Path - but the funding for the Cycling Demonstration Town had run out by then. More recently I suggested that the Southbound Bus lane from Scale Hall Lane could be improved by cutting the grass verge off the corner so buses could continue along the bus lane without the need for traffic lights. i.e turn into Morecambe Road safely without sticking into the Eastbound traffic. Once again - Lamp posts proved to be LCC's sticking point. Their reply:

"With regard to your bus lane filter suggestion, it would appear that a segregated feed land would further divide the junction for pedestrians and would requiring a further independent pedestrian crossing facility across Scale Hall La in addition to the 3 controlled existing ones. The buses from Scale Hall Lane are currently afforded a significant priority to the traffic lights by way of a section of bus lane and although it may be feasible to filter them into the existing bus lane with Give Way markings only, the impact of this lane on pedestrian movements and costs relating to diversion of underground services, relocation of lighting columns etc may outweigh the benefits to bus users."

You wouldn't need a separate crossing as the road could operate exacly as it is now - it would just be wider. Maybe with an additional island to separate the cars from the buses. Still. Who am I to argue. :)
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I think I've seen that somewhere. Thanks for the confirmation. Travelled round by the station coming back on the 4 the other day - and all the way down to the river I thought "How fab it would be if we could just go straight across! Here!" Perfect for connecting transport links.
 

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Chorley have a Solo on hire from Merseyside, I think its 47713.

Yes CY did have 47713 on loan for a week or two, its now returned to GM, Tridents 17019 & 17021 will be on the move shortly as well as 16653, this will see 3 x Tridents, numbers TBC coming across from PR
 
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