CarltonA
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Brussells Midi has pay toilets, next door was(is?) an Irish themed pub. After I had a couple of pints of Guinness I enquired about their toilets. I was directed to the pay loos. :-x
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Brussells Midi has pay toilets, next door was(is?) an Irish themed pub. After I had a couple of pints of Guinness I enquired about their toilets. I was directed to the pay loos. :-x
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WhiteJoker
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Cool! You're referring to 2theloo which is a commercial initiative. Most bigger shops have paid toilets as well. I don't think we have lots of free toilets anymore. Though prices can vary between 10p to 50p. Or eurocents in our case.
button_boxer
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On the continent (at least in the parts of Belguim, France and Germany where I've been most recently) it seems to be the norm for public toilets to have a nominal charge of anything up to a euro, often with an attendant to collect it. Free toilets are very much the exception rather than the rule, and those that are free are generally in a pretty poor state compared with the pay ones.
I guess you get what you pay for...
I guess you get what you pay for...
tripleseis
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I used a 2theloo in Utrecht last year. The most pleasant public toilets I have ever used. I was quite happy to pay the €0,50 fee (got given a voucher to use the loos again for free) and not have to smell other people's excrement.
I don't get why people get narky about paying to use the loo. I happily pay 50p if it meant the toilets were kept clean, safe and smelt nice.
I don't get why people get narky about paying to use the loo. I happily pay 50p if it meant the toilets were kept clean, safe and smelt nice.
ATW Alex 101
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What happens if you jump over them? I read somewhere that you don't actually have to pay to use a urinal, hence why them turnstiles never haver any of my shekels in them.
This is no longer the case (since 2008).
http://www.wyre.gov.uk/news/article/32/charges_for_gents_urinals_to_be_introduced
Looks like it's not them breaking the law.
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A different situation happens over the pond in Canada. In Winnipeg, the only municipal owned washroom/restroom facilities are found in about a dozen municipal parks and municipal buildings. There are no on-street public conveniences what so ever, but I guess that has to do with our extreme cold winters and seasonal snow cover for four to six months a year. However I've never run into a situation where I had to pay to use the facilities.
PermitToTravel
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I didn't know this but have still never paid to use a public loo, I just walk over the turnstile
Bristol city centre has a chronic shortage of public conveniences, but it also has an abundance of alleyways to complement
And as I've already pointed out it's not been true for several years.
ATW Alex 101
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I didn't know this but have still never paid to use a public loo, I just walk over the turnstile
Bristol city centre has a chronic shortage of public conveniences, but it also has an abundance of alleyways to complement
Same, reminds me of the time I jumped over the ones at Clapham Junction and my leg caught it and faceplanted right at the feet of an old woman with a young child
.Same, reminds me of the time I jumped over the ones at Clapham Junction and my leg caught it and faceplanted right at the feet of an old woman with a young child
Well I hope that will teach you a lesson.
You are aware that toilets in stations are not public toilets in the strictest sense. You are still on private property and as such should pay whatever tarrif is required.
Wonder why you wont pay to use a toilet yet would probably be really annoyed at someone not paying their fare on the train....
ATW Alex 101
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Yes, teach me a lesson to make sure I have cleared the turnstile before landing.
I am not parting 30/40 up to 50p to have a slash!
Those are the rules and I have had people arrested for doing so in the past.
Why do you think that you are exempt from paying to use the turnstile like generally most other people do?
I hope that you get caught one day.
I think many train fares are too high - I'm free to campaign against them and tell people I think they're too high. But I'm not allowed to just not pay them.
I have sympathy with the annoyance of payment for use of loos (as someone who sometimes works outside over wide areas) but I don't see how that permits you to decide you're not paying,
Lets take London Bridge as a good example of pay loos and non pay loos.
The pay loo's downstairs are always manned and generally always clean as there is someone always in them.
Go to the platform and look at the state of the free ones(after the barrier of course) they stink, they're always dirty and Ive only seen a cleaner in there about once in the last 50 or so times I have visted - which I do a lot.
Stark difference and one of the reasons you have pay toilets at a station.
If you dont want to pay then go pee up a street.
The pay loo's downstairs are always manned and generally always clean as there is someone always in them.
Go to the platform and look at the state of the free ones(after the barrier of course) they stink, they're always dirty and Ive only seen a cleaner in there about once in the last 50 or so times I have visted - which I do a lot.
Stark difference and one of the reasons you have pay toilets at a station.
If you dont want to pay then go pee up a street.
I agree, I've noticed similar between the ones at Trafalgar Square (free) vs the ones in the Hammersmith Station/Bus Station complex (50p). Even though I often find myself without correct change I would be willing to pay if it meant the toilets were clean.
...or in a blind spot on the platform!
Your example is fine where there are charging non-charging options on the same station. However, given that it was exactly the sort of behaviour mentioned in my add-on, plus a degree of civilsation/community spirit rather than greed which led to the provision of toilets on stations (and don't forget some trains don't have toilets!) which generally were free before privatisation let the greedy b******ds get their hands on them, don't be too surprised if it happens again!
ATW Alex 101
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Bogs and trains are different things, of course I'm going to pay for a train.
It's my choice in not paying for the bogs/urinals and I do so knowing that it's not right, and that I am fully liable for any trouble I get into, don't you think I take that into consideration? And I only ever use a pay toilet if I can't find any free ones anywhere at all.
Also, what if I am desperate and really need a **** and have no coins/not willing to pay? I guess I should do it in the middle of the street or against the wall. Definitely not going to get arrested for that am I?
It's my choice in not paying for the bogs/urinals and I do so knowing that it's not right, and that I am fully liable for any trouble I get into, don't you think I take that into consideration? And I only ever use a pay toilet if I can't find any free ones anywhere at all.
Also, what if I am desperate and really need a **** and have no coins/not willing to pay? I guess I should do it in the middle of the street or against the wall. Definitely not going to get arrested for that am I?
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You sound like a lovely, fine example of a human being!! 30-50p is hardly expensive in the grand scheme of things.
And how is it any different? If you was in Tesco, didn't agree with the price of something, would you just steal it? As you are essentially 'stealing' a service?
And I hope it hurt! Bet you looked real cool..
And how is it any different? If you was in Tesco, didn't agree with the price of something, would you just steal it? As you are essentially 'stealing' a service?
And I hope it hurt! Bet you looked real cool..
ATW Alex 101
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It did hurt and I did look a **** yes haha!
Again, tesco and toilets-different things.
In all seriousness, pay toilets are a last resort, considering there's always going to be a pub or a McDonald's nearby I just use them. I only ever use a pay toilet if I can't use them, I have only ever jumped about 5 turnstiles.
Again, tesco and toilets-different things.
In all seriousness, pay toilets are a last resort, considering there's always going to be a pub or a McDonald's nearby I just use them. I only ever use a pay toilet if I can't use them, I have only ever jumped about 5 turnstiles.
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Well only you would know that for certain.
To other people; the fact that you deliberately and regularly evade payment for one service (bogs) suggests that you are more likely to do the same for other services (trains).
ATW Alex 101
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I have never, and never will, evade a train fare. I've also had plenty of opportunity to do so but I've always paid up. And it's not exactly a regular habit, not paying for a toilet, either.
ATW Alex 101
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So are you trying to say I am a train fare evader?
I will tell you now and again, I have never, ever dodged a train fare. And again so you can hear, I never WILL be a fare evader.
One exaple was when I was told to pay at destination by a piece of paper in the ticket office. My destination was unstaffed and only has a TVM. Everybody else just walked straight past it, I actually stood there and paid my fare.
Don't call me a train fare dodger, because I'm not.
You can call me a toilet fare dodger if you like, but not a train fare dodger.
I will tell you now and again, I have never, ever dodged a train fare. And again so you can hear, I never WILL be a fare evader.
One exaple was when I was told to pay at destination by a piece of paper in the ticket office. My destination was unstaffed and only has a TVM. Everybody else just walked straight past it, I actually stood there and paid my fare.
Don't call me a train fare dodger, because I'm not.
You can call me a toilet fare dodger if you like, but not a train fare dodger.
I never said you were anything. I merely said your post sounded like one that someone in the disputes forum would make to try and justify not paying for something.
What you are doing is using a service that has a charge for using it and not paying that fee.
A bit like people who want to use the railway but dont want to pay the fare.
What you are doing is using a service that has a charge for using it and not paying that fee.
A bit like people who want to use the railway but dont want to pay the fare.
Tetchytyke
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You say that, but look at Leeds.
The ones on the paid-side of the barriers are disgusting. They're free.
The ones on the free-side of the barriers are disgusting. They cost 30p. The last time I was there I paid, thinking they might be a bit nicer. Instead one of the toilets was blocked and the other one had a soiled pair of boxer shorts on the floor. Vile. I had my three year old with me, in the end resorting to using the (free) toilets in Spoons, which were nice.
Conclusion? Network Rail just don't employ cleaners and are happy to take the money.
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Cant comment on Leeds as been donkeys years since Ive been there I think.
And no, its not NR just pocketing the money, they pay contractors to clean the toilets as they do the station.
If they are always bad and always unattended then complain. One of the jobs of the NR station staff when they do their security walkround is to check the toilets too(well it used to be) and make sure they had an attendant, if this happens on a regular basis then constantly complain and the management should take action.
Though this is still no excuse for not paying the tarrif to go to the toilet, where required.
ATW Alex 101
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I am still unmoved. If I ever find myself having to use a pay toilet as a last resort, I am not paying. End of. My choice. I know the risks.
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