If contributors are willing to report each mast erection, mostly supported by a photo, then I am happy to read about it.
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If contributors are willing to report each mast erection, mostly supported by a photo, then I am happy to read about it.
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Elecman
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I'm pretty sure there is a time limit on points being installed and clipped&scotched out before they must be either brought into use or removed and plain lined.
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A long period of either Platform 6 or 8 being closed to trains.
Plus a continuous blockade of Liverpool Lime Street Station in late July and August 2016.
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I believe Platform 6a is being brought back into service by extending the width to the south and renumbered 7. The present platform 7 is be moved further south and renumbered 8 and both platforms "straightened" to allow an increase in long distance services at the same time work to the station throat will be undertaken to reduce conflicting movements. The existing platforms 8 & 9 will be renumbered 9 & 10 respectively all as part of signalling renewal scheme to Weaver Junction.
Any idea what the Liverpool South Parkway platform works are for? (pg 199 for example)
LDECRexile
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I reckon it's great the way people chuck solid stuff in the pot from diverse quarters - railwaymen, seasoned observers, readers of planning documents, amateur photographers, expert photographers - you name it. OK, we get the odd whiner or snide, but they usually go away when they realise there are more kindred spirits elsewhere.
This thread is one such, based on solid evidence brought to this domain, amplified by people with experience and knowhow.
My twopenn'orth on this one is that an Orangeman I spoke to some weeks ago described one of the purposes of platform re-jigging as being to enable two 4 carriage trains (I assumed he meant 319s) to fit, either coupled or not, as at the moment they would foul points beyond the platform end.
I may have misunderstood him, of course, but everything else he told me (I bumped into him several times) has turned out spot on.
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Source just said "new junction" - unsure if he meant Roby Junction or at Huyton - or maybe both.
I will be going from London to Cardiff and back today so I will give the Great Western Electrification thread an update towards the end of this week.
"Source" ?? Ok fair enough but Huyton Junction already new and cannot alter the track work unless they are bringing line 4 into use which they are not in the immediate future.
See this link which has been provided before:- http://moderngov.merseytravel.uk.ne...Roby and Huyton stations expansion enc. 1.pdf
May be Roby Junction and as already stated, clipped / locked out of use when completed.
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Wavertreelad
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If he meant 319's surely that would be platforms 1 to 6? So just to clarify, my source who works for Virgin briefly explained plan as described in my earlier contribution. He explained this was to allow Virgin to operate 2 tph from Lime Street as well as longer distance services by other operators from the south side of the station.
However, I believe as part of resignalling project the entire station throat is to be redesigned to reduce conflicting movements although how this is to achieved in the space available as well as extending the length of the platforms is going to be interesting to say the least. Could this also mean the redundant stabling sidings between the platforms will also be removed?
Yes you are correct, it's all in this thread.
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=90865&highlight=lime+street+station
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Yes as I understood it too it was rejigging platforms to allow another platform to accommodate intercity trains. Signal box was being demolished as well wasn't it?
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No heard that the signal box is going, but it would be logical if all the signalling on the line to Weaver Junction is to be renewed, presumably it could transfer to Manchester? Edge Hill signal box would then be next on list?
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Removal of the car park/taxi rank would allow the re-instatement of Platforms 10 and 11.
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To a first approximation, all signal boxes are going into the area ROCs, so Manchester ROC for LNW(North), and Lime St will be no different, so it's only a matter of time.
The tentative timescales for the route into Liverpool to transfer appears to be still just 'during CP5'.
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LDECRexile
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Good News
1. More masts up Roby Junction-Roby, now I reckon there really is only one to go!
2. More metalwork up (maybe masts, definitely portal cross-members) Roby-Huyton, including a TGBU (Thundering Great Big 'Un)
3. Cross-member up over Huyton Station
4. Two wires up over main lines from Earlestown East Junction to Sankey Jct.
5. More progress on Old/new wiring interface at Earlestown East Jct
Photos later.
That's definitely it from me before Yule. Merry Christmas to all.
Dave
1. More masts up Roby Junction-Roby, now I reckon there really is only one to go!
2. More metalwork up (maybe masts, definitely portal cross-members) Roby-Huyton, including a TGBU (Thundering Great Big 'Un)
3. Cross-member up over Huyton Station
4. Two wires up over main lines from Earlestown East Junction to Sankey Jct.
5. More progress on Old/new wiring interface at Earlestown East Jct
Photos later.
That's definitely it from me before Yule. Merry Christmas to all.
Dave
DJH1971
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Brilliant to hear as always!
I wonder if more portals will go up on the Sankey Valley viaduct during the 27-28th December blockade?
I should hope so, if it's to go live on the 31st!
DJH1971
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And same with the Carr Mill viaduct?
DJH1971
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Looks like the Huyton to Wigan branch could be slipping a bit then!
LDECRexile
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I've added about 25 photos from 23rd Dec here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157648494725811/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/sets/72157648494725811/
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FYI
0000 hrs - 0100 hrs Busy last night between Lea Green and St Helens Junction. Bright lights and bit of engine noise revealed some sort of wire crew on a cherry picker performing close inspection of wire hangers and track-side cable structures.
0000 hrs - 0100 hrs Busy last night between Lea Green and St Helens Junction. Bright lights and bit of engine noise revealed some sort of wire crew on a cherry picker performing close inspection of wire hangers and track-side cable structures.
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Haven't seen this mentioned before but it seems that Google streetview has been updated here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4053682,-2.9217044,3a,75y,279.51h,72.06t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shqFVmSNnkEFIpTqGPQ5Gvw!2e0
and here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4057537,-2.9085764,3a,75y,89.19h,92.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1slPp3AEuLwE9nojNvRKGJrw!2e0
The new OHLE is clearly visible where as I recall, it wasn't a few months ago.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4053682,-2.9217044,3a,75y,279.51h,72.06t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shqFVmSNnkEFIpTqGPQ5Gvw!2e0
and here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4057537,-2.9085764,3a,75y,89.19h,92.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1slPp3AEuLwE9nojNvRKGJrw!2e0
The new OHLE is clearly visible where as I recall, it wasn't a few months ago.
LDECRexile
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Nice one! Thank you. Aren't good ideas obvious once someone else has thought of them!
Taking this forward, I have used quite a lot of photos from Stephenson Way bridge, overlooking Bootle Branch Junction and Waterloo Branch Junction.
The vantage point is shown here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sBJXmsh4cf7iyAtrVsPZfrQ!2e0
Over the weekend I made a trip to the area with a railway-interested relative who grew up in Wavertree in the 1950s. He told me that the LNWR/LMS/BR(M) Edge Hill steam shed (8A) was where these new buildings and greened-up area are ahead of camera. That may be obvious to older Liverpudlians, but I for one didn't know it.
c1959 Dad put on his best ex-NCO bearing and knocked on the foreman's window and asked permission to take his son round the shed one Sunday on an unprecedented visit to Liverpool. Permission was readily granted. I can still remember the feeling of awe among strange giants which I later knew as ex-LNW G2s, 'Princesses' and others.
Happy Days.
DJH1971
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Very surprised I didn't hear much.
Yes it is obvious to the elder generation!
If you go the older side of bridge (north side) then all that area was the the famous "Gridiron". The whole area has changed all out of recognition sadly. I only lived 400yds from Edge Hill Shed in my younger days (early 60's) when the Duchess's appeared including two (out of 3) of the surviving Duchess's (46229 D-o-Hamilton and 46233 D-o-Sutherland) was allocated there along with the introduction of the English Electric Type 4's (Class 40's) began to appear. Now you realise why I use '8A' as my nickname/call sign so to speak.
May be as and when we meet, I give you a little history lesson of the Liverpool area.
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