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About 9 tonight a Trident was being towed westbound on the A30 between Redruth and Camborne. Light colour lower half, with top deck in a dark colour. No identity as I was travelling the opposite direction on the dual carriageway.

Nothing obvious in Camborne this morning, though the two ex London Trident's are still present. Perhaps the bus you saw being towed went to Penzance?

I had the unfortunate experience of riding on Scania L94 65579 from Truro on the 14 back to Camborne earlier today.

What an awful bus! Whilst reasonably tidy inside the ride quality (even allowing for plenty of potholes) is dreadful. It bounces and crashes over the slightest bump and although not being driven at excessive speed some passengers were literally hanging on for dear life.

It rocks and rolls from side to side and also bounces up and down, sometimes it seems both at once.

I have had a better journey on the Scillonian!
 
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watch out for another 4 to move from Manchester these will be 60379 R624 CVR, 62214 S673 SVU, 66194 and 66195 S794/95 RWG
 

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I saw a white Solo in Truro bus station today CX55 DWK I think it was. And also saw 53701 headed out of Truro bus station
 

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Interesting that more B10BLEs are heading to FDC (though understandable to help with the increased PVR). In the past, WN didn't have large numbers of RELLs or Nationals in Kernow so long SDs are sometimes difficult to use.

Indeed. I do wonder if some of these long SDs may end up elsewhere in FDC, thus releasing Darts/B6s/Solos to Kernow.
 

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Are there any regulations on buses / coaches having seat belts fitted for schools contracts?

Someone told me ages ago that FDC and Cornwall Council wanted all or most vehicles on Truro College services thus fitted and that there would be a movement of surplus coaches from various First depots to Cornwall.

That never happened but just wondered about any seatbelt requirements that might exist nationally or locally.
 
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Are there any regulations on buses / coaches having seat belts fitted for schools contracts?

Someone told me ages ago that FDC and Cornwall Council wanted all or most vehicles on Truro College services thus fitted and that there would be a movement of surplus coaches from various First depots to Cornwall.

That never happened but just wondered about any seatbelt requirements that might exist nationally or locally.

No there isn't. The Truro College contract has nothing to do with Cornwall Council. It is directly let by the College. No plans to coach it - indeed it is mainly deckers and coaches would make it very inefficient.
 
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Indeed. I do wonder if some of these long SDs may end up elsewhere in FDC, thus releasing Darts/B6s/Solos to Kernow.[/QUOTE

Unlikely. These four were from a batch of seven available. The four were taken because they have long MOTs. I believe they are going to Plymouth initially for an assessment on whether to use them. FDC are gathering potentially suitable vehicles up while they are available. Some may replace non standard or poor vehicles, others may not get used at all. They have just over eight months life in them before DDA catches up with them so are all very short term measures.
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Two new arrivals at Camborne early this morning. Two ex Metroline Trident's one of which was LK03 CFZ (TP423).
Both were in red colours and dual door, I was unable to identify the other example.

New loans from Ensign. Were swapped over with 2 returning MPDs somewhere midway between Purfleet and Cornwall.
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Thanks for the update.

From memory many of the Tridents at Olive Grove are short versions that seat c60 (?39/20 in dual door format, maybe slightly higher if single doored). Most of FK's Olympians seat low and in some cases high 70s.

Just another challenge to overcome I guess, but it may mean that their use on certain schools workings may be limited, although I believe the ex-Airbuses 3419* also have lower capacity.

...although I have just remembered that 2 Olympians are being prepared by Midlands for transfer to Cornwall, and I think one from Eastern Counties.

Also two coaches due from Glasgow later this week.
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I still think the B7TL would be a better bet for FK given the operating terrain and long runs but I guess they take what is available.

FK had a choice and the engineers chose Tridents rather than B7s. Whatever people say about Tridents, there have been and are hundreds of them in London operating day after day, early until late, without a problem. FK don't have a problem with their Trident fleet. They are much simpler to run than B7s which are all electronically controlled, and parts are noticeably cheaper.
 

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No there isn't. The Truro College contract has nothing to do with Cornwall Council. It is directly let by the College. No plans to coach it - indeed it is mainly deckers and coaches would make it very inefficient.

I did not think the story seemed plausible at the time.
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New arrivals from Buses of Somerset in service at Truro today, 53012 W812 PAF and 42842 T367 NUA

Seen today at Camborne was Dart 42843 albeit not in service, 42842 was on the 14/18. Solo 53012 has been out of service since arriving from Penzance on Tuesday.
 

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No there isn't. The Truro College contract has nothing to do with Cornwall Council. It is directly let by the College. No plans to coach it - indeed it is mainly deckers and coaches would make it very inefficient.

Coaches seem to be used on some routes though quite often, and even single deckers.
A P reg Dart is on the Truro College to Porthleven this afternoon for example.
 
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Coaches seem to be used on some routes though quite often, and even single deckers.
A P reg Dart is on the Truro College to Porthleven this afternoon for example.

Yes that's right, but a significant proportion require capacity exceeding a coach.
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Do we know which MPD's, have been returned to Ensign ?

Are there any left?
 
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Coaches seem to be used on some routes though quite often, and even single deckers.
A P reg Dart is on the Truro College to Porthleven this afternoon for example.

Certainly seemed to be a mixture of vehicles at Truro College on Monday and Tuesday afternoon when I did a couple of routes from there while on holiday. Mostly Olympians, couple of coaches (not sure which route they were on), Solo on the service to Flushing. Someone mentioned the Fal River Trident not being on another school route on Tuesday, just had a chance check through my photos I see it was PJ02PZP arriving at Truro College for the 226 to Newquay on that day.

Regarding the Porthleven route I did K615LAE on the 234 on Monday afternoon. Good to find both Leyland Olympians and former Tiverton & District/Red Bus Volvo L816CFJ during my stay in Cornwall. Also nice to have a ride on the P reg Dart (P430ORL) on the 21 from Newquay to St Austell on Tuesday morning, still original inside, hopefully another candidate for preservation.
 

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I believe a couple of solos are still here.

There is still a green Dart at Camborne awaiting return to Ensign. Two VR's in use today on the Trevithick Day Park & Ride shuttles. The Lodekka was standby at Camborne.
 

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There is still a green Dart at Camborne awaiting return to Ensign. Two VR's in use today on the Trevithick Day Park & Ride shuttles. The Lodekka was standby at Camborne.

AFJ706/749T on park and ride. Both looking great. 749 still wears First livery so could probably fit straight into service!
 

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AFJ706/749T on park and ride. Both looking great. 749 still wears First livery so could probably fit straight into service!

Agree, both buses looked great at least externally, given their age. A credit to their owners and the people who work hard to keep them on the road.
 

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FK had a choice and the engineers chose Tridents rather than B7s. Whatever people say about Tridents, there have been and are hundreds of them in London operating day after day, early until late, without a problem. FK don't have a problem with their Trident fleet. They are much simpler to run than B7s which are all electronically controlled, and parts are noticeably cheaper.

Fair enough. FK already have Tridents so they are a known quantity.

Reported elsewhere (on SY bus forum) is that the three imminent from Olive Grove in Sheffield are 33066-8 (51 reg short wheelbase vehicles - not sure if they are still two doored).
 

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Fair enough. FK already have Tridents so they are a known quantity.

Reported elsewhere (on SY bus forum) is that the three imminent from Olive Grove in Sheffield are 33066-8 (51 reg short wheelbase vehicles - not sure if they are still two doored).

H39/20F conversions - lord knows what they're like internally with the conversion
 

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Fair enough. FK already have Tridents so they are a known quantity.

Reported elsewhere (on SY bus forum) is that the three imminent from Olive Grove in Sheffield are 33066-8 (51 reg short wheelbase vehicles - not sure if they are still two doored).

Looking at pictures of them, they're all single door now.

Some of First's conversions have been rather good - you'd almost not be able to tell that they once had a second door on some of them, rather unlike Stagecoach's budgeted and rushed conversions - a Trident once came to London still with the former controls still in the ceiling but obviously no door, and a balance of Stripey / Beach Ball seats.
 

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Looking at pictures of them, they're all single door now.

Some of First's conversions have been rather good - you'd almost not be able to tell that they once had a second door on some of them, rather unlike Stagecoach's budgeted and rushed conversions - a Trident once came to London still with the former controls still in the ceiling but obviously no door, and a balance of Stripey / Beach Ball seats.

Some of the First ones are not exactly brilliant (e.g. still retaining bulkheads etc). However, not familiar with these Sheffield ones.

Seems to be par for the course. Travelling in the North East, some Arriva Daf DB250s seem to have been done in a basic fashion whilst some B7TL/Geminis were absolutely seamless in their conversion.
 

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Viewed The Ride in Plymouth this afternoon and present were

20502 AO02RBZ

62214 S673SVU
66194 S794RWG
66195 S795RWG

I am told 60379 is here as well but it was not visable this afternoon.

No sign of 20504 which is the one I require!
 

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Two new arrivals at Camborne early this morning. Two ex Metroline Trident's one of which was LK03 CFZ (TP423).
Both were in red colours and dual door, I was unable to identify the other example.

I finally managed to identify the second Trident today after it was moved for the first time since the day it arrived. It is LK03 GKD (TP465) formerly of Metroline.
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the vr has been out on the x18 this morning

The X18 this evening from Truro to Penzance was Dart 42522.
 

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