Bletchleyite
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Exactly. There is no excuse. Littering in any form is simple laziness.
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anti-pacer
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They'd soon complain if someone dropped litter in their gardens.
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Sorry chaps, but when I have absolutely no alternative within 30 feet or so I will continue to leave one railway provided coffee cup per 200 journeys (that's about what it'll be, funnily enough I've never counted my rate of offending) rather than juggle it down the platform with my luggage and other belongings. 
trainophile
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There is a difference though, between leaving a Metro that you have finished with, and the next person might want to flick through, and spreading the contents of a chip wrapper all over the seats. Obviously the latter is unacceptable, but where is the line drawn for the average traveller to understand?
What degree of mega mess are we discussing here? Most people are not so sensitive that they have a fainting fit at the presence of a used coffee cup or an empty water bottle when they take their seat.
Getting off a train with a case, laptop bag/shoulder bag, coat, ticket ready for the barriers, doesn't leave a lot of hands for food wrappers or cups.
If there's a bin, USE IT. Otherwise let's not be quite so precious.
What degree of mega mess are we discussing here? Most people are not so sensitive that they have a fainting fit at the presence of a used coffee cup or an empty water bottle when they take their seat.
Getting off a train with a case, laptop bag/shoulder bag, coat, ticket ready for the barriers, doesn't leave a lot of hands for food wrappers or cups.
If there's a bin, USE IT. Otherwise let's not be quite so precious.
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Harlesden
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Where are these jobs advertised? Must bag me one. Get some miles in and get paid at the same time while I wend my weary rubber gloved way down the train.
anti-pacer
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It's not so much of an issue on most TOC's as they have roaming cleaners, but on the likes of Northern who don't, trains get messy and it all starts with one coffee cup or a copy of the Metro.
Some Northern services do.
anti-pacer
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Are Arriva carrying out the same as Northern did?
The same lady was on my local route last week, not sure how widespread it is or whether anything has been cut.
anti-pacer
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Probably not.
DarloRich
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strange, don't you think, that many supermarkets seem able to provide several bins on their premises to collect said litter
I am not wasting 5p on a bin bag!
If there is a bin it goes in the bin. Where a bin is provided, and it usually is, I use it.
and quickly the world begins to spin off its axis, dogs sleep with cats and the end of days come! There are worse things happening in the world today than a bit of minor rubbish on a train :roll:
Exactly! The lack of perspective is the most startling thing about these posts. Worse things happen at sea..........
anti-pacer
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strange, don't you think, that many supermarkets seem able to provide several bins on their premises to collect said litter
I am not wasting 5p on a bin bag!
Where a bin is provided, and it usually is, I use it.
and quickly the world begins to spin off its axis, dogs sleep with cats and the end of days come! There are worse things happening in the world today than a bit of minor rubbish on a train :roll:
Exactly! The lack of perspective is the most startling thing about these posts. Worse things happen at sea..........
Maybe you just don't get it.... or the law. You've already said as much on the animals on seats thread.
Just so long as YOU are alright hey?
DarloRich
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I get it perfectly well, I just have something crucial that you lack on this issue: perspective.
Like I said previously I am being honest and practical rather than perfect. Frustrating as it must be for you it is not always possible to "do the right thing". Sometimes the next best or least worst thing is all that is available.
I best not mention that sometimes I leave a kit kat wrapper inside the discarded coffee cup! I know, I know................
I don't think Northern are actually that messy. It isn't the odd coffee cup or discarded Metro that concerns me (I can always bin those if it is an issue) but people who seem to leave half a fish supper on the floor. Whats wrong with them? Such waste.
trainophile
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But it isn't "the law" that you may not leave any form of litter on a train. I don't hear the turn-around cleaner who whizzes through my ATW at Piccadilly calling for harsh penalties as she shoves a cardboard cup in her plastic bag. Not even a tut tut. If it was the law then she would have to be replaced by a BTP officer.
"Doors will remain locked as a discarded Metro is under investigation" :roll: .
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Do they? Never seen one in a shop round here. Maybe they should make them bigger and put up really big signs showing where they are so I can see them more clearly. Even so, I don't rely on bins being around because I'm prepared for there not being any bins.
....I am not wasting 5p on a bin bag!
I have built up a supply from when they weren't 5p as I use them for, amongst other things, household bins (rather than paying for plastic binliners!). Besides which, not all shops charge 5p for a plastic bag.
anti-pacer
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It's the law outside in public areas. Isn't it also a railway byelaw?
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Try any Northern train on the Calder Valley line on a Saturday. It's beer cans, bottles, discarded food, etc.
Bletchleyite
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On DB a while ago I remember seeing a newspaper rack in each door vestibule. That would solve the Metro/Evening Standard issue - when alighting, if you don't want it place it in the rack, if the rack is full there are sufficient there so bin it. Otherwise you are littering.
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Yes, this is disgusting, and I would like to see those doing it hit with nice big fines as they would be if they did it on the street.
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Yes, this is disgusting, and I would like to see those doing it hit with nice big fines as they would be if they did it on the street.
trainophile
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If they can provide a newspaper rack, why not a clip (or preferably two, a foot apart) and have a see-through bag hanging there available for disposing of litter as you alight? Most people would have no reason not to use it as it ensures they won't have to cart their rubbish away with them if there is no bin on the station.
I think some abandoned rubbish is more of a health and safety hazard than others - you can't really object to an empty coffee cup, water bottle or a newspaper, but unwrapped food debris, used tissues, nappies
hock: etc., i.e. things you wouldn't want to have to move yourself, could be subject to a verbal warning if noticed by a TM or cleaner before the offender leaves their seat.87015
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Not to mention bins at nearly every seat, in plain view. Far more effective than expecting people to hunt for one on most of the modern tat over here.
anti-pacer
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If they can provide a newspaper rack, why not a clip (or preferably two, a foot apart) and have a see-through bag hanging there available for disposing of litter as you alight? Most people would have no reason not to use it as it ensures they won't have to cart their rubbish away with them if there is no bin on the station.
I think some abandoned rubbish is more of a health and safety hazard than others - you can't really object to an empty coffee cup, water bottle or a newspaper, but unwrapped food debris, used tissues, nappies
How would you police that exactly? Someone gets a warning for leaving a tissue and then complains that the person across from them left a coffee cup, and that the TM never said anything to them. Litter is litter.
Anyway, how do you that a coffee cup isn't a health issue? If I move someone else's cup into the bin, how do I know how clean their hands were. Plenty of dirty people go to the toilet and don't wash their hands.
There are bins on trains and they can't ALL be full. You don't need to walk out of the station laden with luggage and your litter. Bin it BEFORE you get off - it really IS that simple!
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I have YET to struggle finding a bin on a train. Maybe we should employ nannies on the train to show people.
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trainophile
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The few remaining Merseyrail 507/8s that are still unrefurbed don't have bins. This was the case for the whole fleet until quite recently. Not all their stations had rubbish disposal facilities either. Not sure if that is still the case.
gimmea50anyday
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Or indeed the Saturday morning services out of Middlesbrough, full and standing at thornaby with people being left behind at Yarm. train looks like a night club at chucking out time when the train disgorges itself at York of its load of day tripper drinkers already ****ed, and it's not yet 11am!
Bletchleyite
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Very few trains don't have bins already. My point with the racks is it answers "but someone else might want a read".
A newspaper may be a good find to some (but see above) but yes I can and do object to other kinds of litter. You might leave your house like that. I don't, and I don't want to put up with it. Put it in the bin or take it with you. Or if you can't do that, we will end up with it like buses - no food or drink permitted at all.
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All, including the litter, a symptom of the greater lack of respect in society in 2016, perhaps.
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anti-pacer
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More good points made. Glad I'm not the only one who has the views I do.
DarloRich
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nothing like a bit of confirmation bias is there
Are you for real? Surely a WUM. My God I cant touch that cardboard cup some horrible oik has touched it! I might get scrofula! :roll: May I suggest some disposable surgical gloves and a face mask when out in public. Safety first.
I am not sure anyone disagrees with that statement! For the avoidance of doubt: Give me a bin and my waste goes in it.
You would love that job: The litter Czar
I think some abandoned rubbish is more of a health and safety hazard than others - you can't really object to an empty coffee cup, water bottle or a newspaper, but unwrapped food debris, used tissues, nappies
Exactly - perspective!
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anti-pacer
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nothing like a bit of confirmation bias is there
Are you for real? Surely a WUM. My God I cant touch that cardboard cup some horrible oik has touched it! I might get scrofula! :roll: May I suggest some disposable surgical gloves and a face mask when out in public. Safety first.
I am not sure anyone disagrees with that statement! For the avoidance of doubt: Give me a bin and my waste goes in it.
You would love that job: The litter Czar
Exactly - perspective!
If you have low standards, fine. Don't inflict them on me. Who knows what you could catch! There was some research done on commuters a few years ago. It should that the further north you go the more faecal matter there was on hands (your home region scoring the worst). Sorry, but I'm a clean and healthy person and as such I wish to stay that way.
As for me being a Litter Czar, if it paid well I'd do it. This country is becoming a dump in parts, no less due to lazy people finding it too inconvenient to take responsibility for themselves.
If my views are wrong in your eyes, I'll not lose any sleep over it.
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DarloRich
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if you have pompous and self important ideals fine, but don't inflict them on those who hold a differing view point - Shall we call it a draw?
anti-pacer
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Probably wise.
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