Accidental Branding you liked.

NorthernSpirit · 29 Jan 2018

BestWestern said:
It was certainly interesting when they were on Portsmouth to Cardiff runs with that written on the side! I quite liked it too though, and the shabby interiors! Wrecked but still cumfy!

I'd love to see a photo of it at one of the stations on the route.

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pdeaves · 29 Jan 2018

Domh245 said:
There was 158777 (and possibly others) which had EMT stickers, over the basic Central branding, over the FTPE branding*, over the Northern spirit livery!

Goodness me, that got a bit out of hand!

pdeaves · 29 Jan 2018

For 'accidental', and a little bit out on a tangent, I remember seeing a photo of a Network Rail 'response vehicle' (van/small lorry). The door was open and the lettering position meant it appeared to say 'ponse vehicle'!

96tommy · 29 Jan 2018

My favourite one, and i'm surprised to see it disliked is in fact the FTPE 158 with the purple stripe and northern spirit livery as a base.

Royston Vasey · 29 Jan 2018

pdeaves said:
Goodness me, that got a bit out of hand!

And then 158774 had a big white sticker placed over... God knows what! https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/6395383033/

Tetchytyke · 29 Jan 2018

Ianno87 said:
Looked weird at first, but suited them when you got used to it.

The vinyl over the Northern Spirit colours worked, just about.

When they did the same thing over the Regional Railways colours, though...

PR1Berske · 29 Jan 2018

jcollins said:
Northern Spirit/First mismatch: http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/images/158 762 Gloucester 16.3.jpg

Ooh I remember seeing those. Looks genuinely really, really good.

pemma · 29 Jan 2018

PR1Berske said:
Ooh I remember seeing those. Looks genuinely really, really good.

I didn't like them because it meant the gold swoosh was partly covered by the vinyl, which made it look a bit weird. Burgundy, dark blue and gold probably could have worked as a colour scheme.

Muzer · 29 Jan 2018

pdeaves said:
For 'accidental', and a little bit out on a tangent, I remember seeing a photo of a Network Rail 'response vehicle' (van/small lorry). The door was open and the lettering position meant it appeared to say 'ponse vehicle'!

In a similar vein, when First Great Western took over former Wessex Trains operations, they rather quickly removed the Wessex Trains vinyls. But I remember seeing one train where they'd started pulling the vinyl off then presumably gone on a tea break, as half the vinyl was removed and the remainder just read "sex trains".

virgintrain1 · 29 Jan 2018

Always thought the Northern class 180s were very clever.

https://flic.kr/p/a6WZAG

pdeaves · 29 Jan 2018

Muzer said:
In a similar vein, when First Great Western took over former Wessex Trains operations, they rather quickly removed the Wessex Trains vinyls. But I remember seeing one train where they'd started pulling the vinyl off then presumably gone on a tea break, as half the vinyl was removed and the remainder just read "sex trains".

Not railway, but unfortunate positioning of trees on the approach obscures part of the 'above porch' sign on Cressex school (High Wycombe), with a similar outcome.

Muzer · 29 Jan 2018

virgintrain1 said:
Always thought the Northern class 180s were very clever.

https://flic.kr/p/a6WZAG

Besides the general hideousness of the base livery, I quite like that!

NSE · 29 Jan 2018

causton said:
Here is the 'temporary' WMR/LNR branding:

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I like that. Though I like the London Midland livery. Also, does a new franchisee have the right to use the existing livery if they so wish? I understand that they might hold the legal rights for the name, but you can hold the legal rights for a livery?

backontrack · 30 Jan 2018

jcollins said:
Burgundy, dark blue and gold probably could have worked as a colour scheme.

Yeah. It could have looked lovely.

virgintrain1 said:
Always thought the Northern class 180s were very clever.

https://flic.kr/p/a6WZAG

I like what they did with the logo!

goblinuser · 30 Jan 2018

NSE said:
I like that. Though I like the London Midland livery. Also, does a new franchisee have the right to use the existing livery if they so wish? I understand that they might hold the legal rights for the name, but you can hold the legal rights for a livery?

Yes, of course. However due to the nature of handing over a franchise on the rail network, the incumbent operator will understand that the new operator will have to use their old livery for a period of time whilst it is being updated to the new brand.
As for using the exact same livery and applying a new logo, this is also possible if both old and new owner agree to the arrangement, or more simply the old operator does not raise any issue over their colours continuing to be used.

SEClass375 · 30 Jan 2018

The 376s are still running round in their previous (Connex) livery with the current logo slapped on it. Are there any others in old liveries that aren't in the process of being scrapped or reliveried?

Muzer · 30 Jan 2018

SEClass375 said:
The 376s are still running round in their previous (Connex) livery with the current logo slapped on it. Are there any others in old liveries that aren't in the process of being scrapped or reliveried?

Good question. Some of the East Coast commemorative vinyls are not being rebranded AFAICT; I recall seeing one in particular recently that looked very East Coast in style (it had that purple underline).

dorsetdesiro · 30 Jan 2018

Almost all of 444s and 450s, on South Western, are still going around seemingly unchanged that you may be forgiven for thinking it is January 2017 not 2018!

Non Multi · 31 Jan 2018

BR Railfreight 'triple grey' livery proved to be a versatile base for pre and post-privatisation branding.

RJ21 · 31 Jan 2018

Those Northern Spirit / FTPE / CT / EMT mash up 158s were always an odd one to see. And then I have a photo (not mine) of an HST with the later Midland Mainline colour scheme on the power cars, and a mixture of ex VTXC & MML Mk.3s sandwiched in between. Then there was the mish-mash of loco stock used for a while on Blackpool & North Wales services. I remember ex-FGW green livery Mk.2 being used with a collection of different coloured 47s.

dubscottie · 31 Jan 2018

What is accidental?

The ScotRail post 1994 was low key but it "accidentally" looked good on the various RR liveried units.

And I am talking about the tiny logo on RR stock.

I did like the rebranded "ONE" stock with the white stripe.

Harbon 1 · 31 Jan 2018

Non Multi said:
BR Railfreight 'triple grey' livery proved to be a versatile base for pre and post-privatisation branding.

The Class 60s in triple grey with the big EWS sticker always looked smart IMO

NSE · 1 Feb 2018

dorsetdesiro said:
Almost all of 444s and 450s, on South Western, are still going around seemingly unchanged that you may be forgiven for thinking it is January 2017 not 2018!

I saw my first ‘South Western Railway’ branded 450 on Monday or Tuesday. I wonder if they’ll use white or black text on the 444’s.

adamello · 1 Feb 2018

NSE said:
I saw my first ‘South Western Railway’ branded 450 on Monday or Tuesday. I wonder if they’ll use white or black text on the 444’s.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/stephenpoole/37025096985

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