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Are Slow Lines Really Fast Lines with a Lower Speed Limit?

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richieb1971

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On the WCML the island platforms are usually straight on the fast side and curved on the slow side. I Can't imagine a train going 125mph on the slows in this scenario. Cheddington is one such station I frequent on occasion which is setup in this fashion. The fast is straight for about 4 miles along here, with the only curve being the slows going round the platform.
 
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I think the speed on both Mains and Reliefs was the same 100mph until they upgraded the Mains to 125mph for the HSTs in the 1970s. The HST of course was designed with braking capability to stop from 125mph in the same distance as previous trains could from 100mph, so it was not necessary to move any signals.

Yes but the 125mph limit was later reduced to 120mph on the Up Main from Cholsey to Goring because the braking distance for an HST was found to be a bit marginal with the signal spacing on that section.
 

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The Slows are generally on a very similar alignment (and in a few cases a better [Leyland] alignment) than the fasts, ....
Leyland being one of those cases where the presents fasts are the newer pair on the newer alignment. Another example was Guide Bridge, where there was a 35 restriction on the fasts because of the curve through the platforms whilst the slows had th straight platforms, and perhaps the classic case that some of us will remember was when Twyford on the GW main line had a 75 on the fasts because these were the newer paid and reverse-curved past the platforms.
 

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... Twyford on the GW main line had a 75 on the fasts because these were the newer paid and reverse-curved past the platforms.
Even realigned for fast through running that little wiggle still results in the "Twyford twitch", The secret wake up call for the slumbering high speed Reading commuter (assuming he was lucky enough to get a seat in the evening peak! ).
 

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Yes but the 125mph limit was later reduced to 120mph on the Up Main from Cholsey to Goring because the braking distance for an HST was found to be a bit marginal with the signal spacing on that section.
Indeed and not only there. The realisation also affected a number of resignalling schemes being planned at the time. In reality it wasn't a major safety concern as long as you had excellent sighting at the first caution, which is usually the case on most of the WR, at least the high speed parts.
 

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While we are on track speeds and seemingly arbitrary names and speeds...

Is 60mph a magic number in the world of track maintenance? I ask this as I learn the East Suffolk Line, where the vast majority of it is 55mph, with no obvious reason why 60, or higher, isn't possible. Or is it crossing infrastructure related?

Locally monitored level crossings, which those on the ESK are with the exception of Victoria Road, Darsham, Albion Street, Chantry Lane and Westerfield are limited to 55mph.
 

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............And there are a fair number of redesignations - a significant one that comes to mind is Midland mainline Kentish Town-Kettering (AIUI), which in steam days was passenger and goods, changed to fast and slow (and goods lines upgraded for passenger use) - to Bedford for the BedPan dieselisation at the end of the 1950s, not sure what happened further north.
The Midland Railway (MR) line from Bedford to St Pancras had an even more complex interchange of lines over the years than outlined above. The MR could afford to buy the land for four tracks, but could not afford the cost of laying all four tracks for some years until traffic increases, goods and passenger, compelled them to do so. An Up Goods line was first fitted between Leagrave and Luton in 1875 and gradually extended to St Albans. The Goods lines were doubled to St Albans by April 1894 and onwards to Elstree South by June 1894. (The presently preserved St Albans South box was erected in 1892 in anticipation of the need for more signalling facilities.) The two passenger lines were referred to as such until June 1895 when the new second tunnel at Elstree was opened and the goods line extended through it - at which point from St Albans southwards they were renamed the 'Slow' lines and the passenger lines became the 'Fast Lines' southwards from St Albans. The Goods line remained as such northwards until 1906 when extra platforms were installed at St Albans and Harpenden and the 'Slow' line extended northwards to a junction with the passenger lines just north of Harpenden.
It was in 1960 for the introduction of the DMU service that the Goods Lines from north of Harpenden to Bedford were upgraded for passenger working.
 

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although not "mainline", the Metropolitan Line is an interesting case. From Finchley Road to Harrow on the Hill the "fast" lines are on the outside- from Finchley Road to Wembley Park the "slow" lines are of course the Jubilee Line (and previously the Bakerloo, but before 1939 it was the Met). But alongside all this is an even faster pair of tracks, in the form of the Chiltern, and north west of Harrow on the the Hill the Met line trains can crossover to provide fast services, running like the Great Western Main and Relief arrangement.

Meanwhile the West Coast Mainline between Wembley Central and Bushey has the mainline slows to one side of the fast lines and the DC locals to the other
 
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