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NI railways on the up

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45057934
Translink, Northern Ireland's public transport operator, returned to an operating profit in 2017 after two years of heavy losses.

Profit of £2m was achieved on turnover of £220.5m.

The improved financial position was largely due to the company receiving increased public funding during the year.

There was also increased fare income with the company carrying 81 million passengers, the highest in 20 years.

There were 15 million journeys on NI Railways - a 5.5% annual increase bringing it to the highest level in its 50-year history.

Translink is understood to be considering plans to buy new train carriages, which will allow it to increase capacity on some services.

Looking at the ORR statistics, NI railways isn’t anywhere near most operators in GB but is above Grand Central and the Caledonian.

Is this 15.5 million figure a decent figure for our population of 1.9 million? Just trying to see if we are are getting up to GB levels of usuage.

Curious to see what new carriages means? Does this mean new trains?
 
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Iarnrod Eireann had 45.5 million passengers in 2017.
Roughly 9.5 journeys per person.

I'd suggest Dublin has a more developed suburban and commuter network than Belfast which could skew figures to an extent, especially if they include DART ridership.
 

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Indeed, that is the entire network. It's funny, living in South London that figure seems tiny.
 

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Most platforms on the NI network have acquired “4 car stop” signs in addition to the usual 3 & 6. That does suggest they have it in mind to operate 4 car units at some point in the future.


As a regular traveller on NI trains I can confirm that passenger growth is significantly on the increase. They stepped up the service on the Londonderry line from two hourly to hourly a year or two back, and that stimulated a lot of extra traffic. That line (which had been proposed for closure at one time) now carries more passengers than Belfast to Dublin.


A lot of the trains have standing passengers for long periods, so there is definitely a need for extra capacity.


The Finance Minister did discuss whether some closed lines should be re-opened, a couple of years ago. Portadown to Armagh was mentioned as was the Antrim to Cookstown branch, at least as far as Castledawson. Nothing is likely to happen about those ideas whilst the NI Assembly refuses to meet, but it was interesting to see that politicians appeared to be willing to consider investment in re-opening some lines.
 

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A few rumors from a friend who works for Translink NIR...

  • 4 car sets could be coming before 2021
  • Catering will be provided on some Derry/Londonderry-Belfast services
  • More integration with Ulsterbus and Goldline services
  • The certain-day-only NIR service (non-Enterprise) between Belfast and Dublin could be made daily
 

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A few rumors from a friend who works for Translink NIR...

  • 4 car sets could be coming before 2021
  • Catering will be provided on some Derry/Londonderry-Belfast services
  • More integration with Ulsterbus and Goldline services
  • The certain-day-only NIR service (non-Enterprise) between Belfast and Dublin could be made daily

Catering is already provided on Some services.
 

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Most platforms on the NI network have acquired “4 car stop” signs in addition to the usual 3 & 6. That does suggest they have it in mind to operate 4 car units at some point in the future.


As a regular traveller on NI trains I can confirm that passenger growth is significantly on the increase. They stepped up the service on the Londonderry line from two hourly to hourly a year or two back, and that stimulated a lot of extra traffic. That line (which had been proposed for closure at one time) now carries more passengers than Belfast to Dublin.


A lot of the trains have standing passengers for long periods, so there is definitely a need for extra capacity.


The Finance Minister did discuss whether some closed lines should be re-opened, a couple of years ago. Portadown to Armagh was mentioned as was the Antrim to Cookstown branch, at least as far as Castledawson. Nothing is likely to happen about those ideas whilst the NI Assembly refuses to meet, but it was interesting to see that politicians appeared to be willing to consider investment in re-opening some lines.

Are you referring to the Coleraine section or the whole route?
 

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Is the Enterprise underperforming due to a lack of trains? Would an hourly service attract more passengers?

The Enterprise faces fairly stiff competition from no less than 3 coach companies all running between Belfast and Dublin, 24 hours a day. The coaches also call at Dublin Airport en route which is where a lot of passengers are travelling, so the bus suits them better than the train.


I think increasing the Enterprise to hourly would attract more passengers, particularly for the business traveller who might not want to wait 2 hours for the next train, but I think the real issue is simply competition from buses.


Car parking at Belfast Central (now renamed Lanyon Place) might also be a problem. The station car park is full by 8.00 am every morning and the adjacent multi-storey car park is quite expensive and also sometimes full.
 

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Is the Enterprise underperforming due to a lack of trains? Would an hourly service attract more passengers?
It’s because it’s slow and expensive.

From Newry it takes a substantial detour inland (from the “as the crow flies”) route to Portadown. It also crawls most of the way from Dunmurry to Belfast Central due to line speed restrictions and/or getting pathed behind an all-stops C4000. The result is that it takes only 15 minutes less than the coach, which time is used up getting from Belfast Central (which is no such thing) to the actual city centre. Coaches drop off at Europa bus station which is actually central.

With a return fare Belfast to Dublin is £45 on Enterprise and £18 by coach, it’s pretty easy to draw a conclusion.

On top of that, the coach calls at Dublin Airport.
 

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Is the Enterprise underperforming due to a lack of trains? Would an hourly service attract more passengers?

It's under-performing i think due to the journey time. the service is slowed quite a bit due to the dart at the dublin end along with at times, the droghida services, and the NIR services across the border. This means the coach is often similar or quicker depending on time of day.
They aren't short of trains as such, all though the stock wouldn't be as reliable as the other stock in both fleets. this means that when there is a breakdown there is no guarantee of a replacement train which would be of a sufficient quality as a 22000 class DMU isn't always availible. Meaning a 2900 suburban unit or one of the NI units.
an hourly service would attract more passengers, at least in theory, but to make it more attractive and competitive, there would need to be quite a bit of infrastructural work caried out to decrease journey times such as more passing loops at least in the south, and i think on NIR some track upgrades. unfortunately i can't see either happening, as much as they would hugely benefit the local services and would be needed whether enterprise exists or not.
 

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I doubt the paths exist to run hourly. It’s double track throughout except for the last mile or so north of Connolly so you’d either end up creating gaps in the DART/Commuter schedule or have the train follow a stopper all the way between Howth Junction & Donaghmede and Connolly.

The stock isn’t an immediate problem, though it’s the oldest operating diesel rolling stock in Ireland but for the class 2600 commuter railcars. At a point in time you run out of stock that is fitted with both CAWS and TPWS to operate both sides of the border.
 

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I doubt the paths exist to run hourly. It’s double track throughout except for the last mile or so north of Connolly so you’d either end up creating gaps in the DART/Commuter schedule or have the train follow a stopper all the way between Howth Junction & Donaghmede and Connolly.

Once the 10 minute dart is implemented, things get very difficult, even for existing services. an hourly belfast would likely be impossible then unfortunately.
 

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A few rumors from a friend who works for Translink NIR...

  • 4 car sets could be coming before 2021
  • Catering will be provided on some Derry/Londonderry-Belfast services
  • More integration with Ulsterbus and Goldline services

Very welcome news. Improving connectivity west of the Bann was a campaign pledge when my dad voted for Eamonn McCann in Derry back in 1969 and is still a political issue today!
 

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Derry rail line exceeds 3 million passengers for first time ever
Published: 16:30
Wednesday 15 May 2019
Newly obtained figures show that 2018-19 was a record-breaking year for the Derry to Belfast train
Over the past 12 months, the line carried more than three million passengers for the first time in its history.
The statistics were secured from Translink by local rail lobby ‘Into the West’ via Freedom of Information
They show that, in the period from April 2018 to March 2019, 3,018,600 people used the railway line that links Derry’s Waterside Station to Belfast’s Great Victoria Street. That represents a nine per cent growth in passenger numbers compared to the previous year and a 17 per cent rise over the last two
The figures also reveal that Derry continues to be the star performer on the Northern Irish rail network with the city driving a large portion of the growing demand for rail usage across the entire route. Total passenger numbers from Derry increased by 23 per cent across 2018-19, with the combined rise over the last two years locally a very impressive 61 per
The latest passenger numbers show that demand is now six times higher on the line than it was in 2001 - and is continuing to
Into the West spokesperson, Steve Bradley, said: “More and more people are flocking to rail here every year. To have three million passengers on the Derry to Belfast line over a 12 months period is phenomenal. And for Derry to be the fastest growing part of that line is even more impressive. It wasn’t until Summer 2017 that Derry finally got an hourly train service to Belfast. Prior to that, we only had one train every two hours, whilst all stations East of the Bann had services every hour or more
“When Derry finally got an hourly service, passenger numbers here leapt by 40 per cent - and they’ve continued to rise ever since. This confirms what we’ve always said - that people in Derry want to use rail and all that is needed to release that untapped demand is for the service to be continually
Steve Bradley added that Derry, despite being Northern Ireland’s second city, still has a “significantly lower quality” of rail service than all towns east of the River Bann on the same line
He explained: “For example, only one train from Derry will get you to Belfast before 9am in the morning whereas there are four from Coleraine and two from Portrush. And, on a Sunday, we still have only one train every two hours here whilst stations East of the Bann have services every hour. It is unacceptable that Translink should treat Derry as if it is just an unimportant branch line off of their main Belfast to Portrush
Meanwhile, work to create a new railway station and transport hub for Derry at the restored Victorian terminus on Duke Street continues apace and is set for completion in the Autumn. Into the West led the successful campaign to secure a new station but the group is concerned that people’s expectations are not being managed for when it finally
Steve Bradley went on: “Into the West campaigned for years for a new railway station in Derry and it will be great for our city when that facility opens. But people will quickly realise that nothing else has changed with our railway service. It will still be slow, infrequent and of a much lower quality than Coleraine gets. That’s why we’re calling for the long-delayed upgrade of the Derry-Coleraine railway track to be finished as soon as possible. This would enable faster and more frequent trains from Derry and attract even more users to our railway.
“We’re also calling on Translink to introduce some improvements to Derry’s existing rail services when the new station opens in the Autumn. As an absolute minimum that should mean providing a train service every hour on a Sunday, rather than just every two hours as currently. We can’t just have the same old inadequate service operating out of a brand new £24million station.”
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Steve Bradley is quite correct in saying the service isn’t as good as it should be. Especially for a city of that size. It ought to be hourly on Sundays. And if they go ahead with the proposed passing loop at Eglinton (which I think is what he is referring to when he talks about “the long delayed upgrade”) that would allow a half hourly service which is what is really required for much of the day.
 
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