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Mingulay

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I don't quite buy the "it is the management's fault front line staff are heroes" line.

Yes usually they are pretty good but no better than say Citylink or airline staff or CalMac.

Clearly the quality of management has been awful in that the training started far too late but how could it start earlier given the effective ban on overtime

But from a passenger perspective it’s the staff they encounter that form the initial opinion as they can help. Manager is remote.

If we are talking bonuses. I would think Scotrail bonus motivate above and beyond call of duty service when supported by passenger feedback.

I’m not on here to big the on board staff or the unions. I’m not naturally a big supporter of unions. But if bonus payments are due. I suggest they are there for those on front line when great service is delivered. I would nominate quite a few I encounter as exceptional
 
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Mingulay

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I don't quite buy the "it is the management's fault front line staff are heroes" line.

Yes usually they are pretty good but no better than say Citylink or airline staff or CalMac.

Clearly the quality of management has been awful in that the training started far too late but how could it start earlier given the effective ban on overtime


Ps. I agree. Cal Mac staff are very good. Airlines. Mmmmmm not sure . City link. No experience
 

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Citylink,poor, customers left standing in the cold at Aberdeen with no information is a regular occurrence,Inverness not too good either!
 

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Well a better experience to report, having avoided the HML by virtue of being on the West Coast anyway, took the WHL to Glasgow this morning to be met by a refurbished 156, with working power points, decent wifi for most of the journey (I've made an observation over the past few months that the WiFi on the WHL is significantly better than the WCML - seriously what is Virgin doing???) and well stocked trolly with piping hot coffee. On time to the minute - that's more like it! :)

Now I know there's been plenty of comments about these seats - I know seats are a very personal taste but I've not found these seats to be anything like the torture instruments quite a lot people say they are on various stock. However, on the 156s I do get a sense that they are pitched forward and it seems to be a consequence of trying to fit in seats in bays that align with windows with seats that because of the high backs are simply to big to fit in these bays? Can the old seats not be refurbished - the low backs it seems would align easier with the windows in bays and give greater all round visibility for taking in the views.
 

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The problem here is the culture of the rail industry. It receives billions of pounds in subsidy and investment. It promises improvements in return and then regularly doesn’t deliver.

The issue for me is that fare paying passengers are not seen as the most important part of the jigsaw. Many rail staff don’t understand the frustration and genuine problems the poor service causes to passengers.

If they had a culture of focusing on the needs of the customer different decisions would be made. Better ones that would be made at the right time with better communication.

Regularly making passengers stand from Edinburgh or Glasgow to Perth is not acceptable and never will be. Running trains where the corridors are strewn with luggage and the trolley can’t get from one end to the other is unacceptable.

These issues need fixed, when timescales change fir fixing things then communicate open and honestly with those affected. Don’t deflect and deny.

None of this is new or innovative. Other service providers do this as a matter of routine.
 

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Front page of The Scotsman today.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...training-will-continue-into-january-1-4849069

Expect a lot more front pages next week if the present rate of cancellations continues with the fares increase.

The Scotsman said:
ScotRail admits cancellations for training will continue into January

Published: 11:26
Updated: 21:04 Thursday 27 December 2018

ScotRail cancellations will continue for weeks, the operator has admitted to The Scotsman as it struggles to clear a training backlog caused by late-delivered new trains.


The news came as some 65 services were scrapped yesterday - the first day much of Scotland has had a train service after the traditional two-day Christmas shutdown.

Routes included Edinburgh to Fife, North Berwick and Tweedbank in the Borders.

On Christmas Eve, ministers ordered a remedial plan from ScotRail to tackle such cancellations on those lines.

The prospect of further cancellations comes days before ScotRail fares increase by 2.8 per cent on Wednesday.

However, ScotRail said it had been working “flat out” to provide train drivers and conductors on two new fleets of trains and new routes. The firm said cancellations would continue for some time, but there would be fewer, and “an improvement” could be expected “in the coming weeks”.

It said only half the 70 new electric trains have arrived, which should have all been in service by now, because of delays by builders Hitachi.

In addition, problems at train refurbisher Wabtec have delayed the overhaul of 26 oldInterCity diesel trains with only one completed and ScotRail running ten more in an unrefurbished state.

They include old-fashioned “slam doors” which passengers have to open by hand, and toilets which flush onto tracks.

The problem has been compounded by an overtime ban by members of the Rail Maritime and Transport union (RMT) over pay for working on days off, which has now been settled.

Scottish Conservatives transport spokesman Jamie Greene said: “Passengers will be dismayed to learn they will have to endure weeks of further cancellations on what has already been one of the most disruptive periods on our railways for a generation.

“Just last week, the First Minister promised there would be improvements but her words simply haven’t matched the actions of her government.

“The Scottish Government has shown itself completely incapable of managing our railways, with passengers being made to bear the brunt of these delays, disruptions and cancellations. The public are quickly losing confidence in the SNP’s handling of Scotland’s railways.”

Scottish Labour transport spokesman Colin Smyth said: “Scotland’s hard-pressed rail passengers will be dismayed they are facing further cancellations, delays and overcrowding. To add insult to injury, they’ll be hit with another rise in ticket prices next week.

“Labour recently forced a vote in the Scottish Parliament asking the government to scrap the ScotRail franchise - but the SNP joined forces with the Tories to vote it down.

“There will be growing anger from passengers that the utter inaction of the SNP government is allowing ScotRail to continue the chaos on our railways into 2019.”

ScotRail Alliance managing director Alex Hynes said: “We’re sorry to customers for the disruption to services today and over recent weeks.

“We know the impact this has on your day, and are working flat out to get things back to normal.

“The disruption has been caused by two key factors.

“First, late delivery of new trains by Hitachi and Wabtec means the training that is required for our train crew, on new trains and new routes, has had to be compressed into a very short space of time. Day-to-day services have had to be cancelled to allow our people to take part in training.

“Second, RMT industrial action meant there was an overtime ban for some of our people, which lasted for several weeks. This is now resolved but made the problem of train crew training worse. Training is ongoing so we can get services back to normal and we can expect an improvement in the coming weeks. But while we continue to train our conductors and drivers some disruption will remain.

“We know this isn’t acceptable, and are sorry to customers about this. Every single person at the ScotRail Alliance is working hard to improve things for our customers as soon as possible.”

ScotRail said replacement buses would be substituted for cancelled trains, including the last services of the day.

Transport secretary Michael Matheson said: “We have stressed many times ScotRail must improve, but too often passengers have been left disappointed. This month should have been a celebration of the biggest increase in services and capacity, enabled by our ambitious electrification programme. Instead, we are taking this contractual step of issuing a remedial plan notice.”
 

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Front page of The Scotsman today.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...training-will-continue-into-january-1-4849069

Expect a lot more front pages next week if the present rate of cancellations continues with the fares increase.


To impose the price rise when all the disruption endures is eye watering in its studipity. It seems they are hell bent on conflict with us passengers . Sorry and sorry and sorry yet again repeated at every turn just does not cut it Alex! Postpone the price rise till you deliver the timetable with consistent reliability.
 

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I currently pay £64 for an open return from Inverness to Edinburgh or Glasgow. For that price regularly have to stand from Perth to Glasgow when changing trains, almost always have to stand leaving Edinburgh or Glasgow.

To ask for more money and still no seat is frankly unacceptable. This I feel is not a lot to ask. Scotrail have known this date was coming to still be training staff at this point in time is nothing short of incompetence.
 

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At the risk of being labelled a “Scotrail Apologist”, as a commuter I am anything but, I think there needs to be some reflection on how we got to where we are.
Scotrail have been let down by 3 key suppliers, Wabtec, Hitachi and Network Rail, who in turn have been let down by their suppliers with the late delivery of the SDA electrification. The lack of training is down to the above plus the industrial issues that have been reported as being resolved.
Some may say that Scotrail should have had better contingency planning, but that’s just planning to fail.
With regards to the late delivery of SDA, it was noted on the forum that the Sunday closures of the railway, and the week long closure in October were announced quite close to the closures. It seems to me that Scotrail knew at least that that project was doomed to fail spectacularly if they didn’t allow the closures.
So they’re playing catch up. It’s affecting me, but then I was commuting regularly through the Raith Interchange whilst that was upgraded, as well as during other rail & road upgrades in other parts of the world. And the thing that all my experiences has led me to understand is that whilst the upgrades are ongoing, they are a pain in the rear end, but once complete, most people look back and think it was worth it as it’s so much better now.
Or maybe I’m just a bit more patient than the average Joe or Josephine.
 

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At the risk of being labelled a “Scotrail Apologist”, as a commuter I am anything but, I think there needs to be some reflection on how we got to where we are.
Scotrail have been let down by 3 key suppliers, Wabtec, Hitachi and Network Rail, who in turn have been let down by their suppliers with the late delivery of the SDA electrification. The lack of training is down to the above plus the industrial issues that have been reported as being resolved.
Some may say that Scotrail should have had better contingency planning, but that’s just planning to fail.
With regards to the late delivery of SDA, it was noted on the forum that the Sunday closures of the railway, and the week long closure in October were announced quite close to the closures. It seems to me that Scotrail knew at least that that project was doomed to fail spectacularly if they didn’t allow the closures.
So they’re playing catch up. It’s affecting me, but then I was commuting regularly through the Raith Interchange whilst that was upgraded, as well as during other rail & road upgrades in other parts of the world. And the thing that all my experiences has led me to understand is that whilst the upgrades are ongoing, they are a pain in the rear end, but once complete, most people look back and think it was worth it as it’s so much better now.
Or maybe I’m just a bit more patient than the average Joe or Josephine.
If what some Scotrail staff are saying on the HST thread is true, the training crisis, which after all is the main cause of disruption we're all suffering at the moment, is something that they've brought on themselves. The industrial action appears only to have been a very small factor in this.

It's like I said upthread, they seem to struggle to understand how situations large or small will play out. It's quite strange.
 

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At the risk of being labelled a “Scotrail Apologist”, as a commuter I am anything but, I think there needs to be some reflection on how we got to where we are.
Scotrail have been let down by 3 key suppliers, Wabtec, Hitachi and Network Rail, who in turn have been let down by their suppliers with the late delivery of the SDA electrification. The lack of training is down to the above plus the industrial issues that have been reported as being resolved.
Some may say that Scotrail should have had better contingency planning, but that’s just planning to fail.
With regards to the late delivery of SDA, it was noted on the forum that the Sunday closures of the railway, and the week long closure in October were announced quite close to the closures. It seems to me that Scotrail knew at least that that project was doomed to fail spectacularly if they didn’t allow the closures.
So they’re playing catch up. It’s affecting me, but then I was commuting regularly through the Raith Interchange whilst that was upgraded, as well as during other rail & road upgrades in other parts of the world. And the thing that all my experiences has led me to understand is that whilst the upgrades are ongoing, they are a pain in the rear end, but once complete, most people look back and think it was worth it as it’s so much better now.
Or maybe I’m just a bit more patient than the average Joe or Josephine.

You are patient. Well are all!

But you are wrong to absolve Abellio Scotrail from blame. They placed the contracts they did not do due diligence. They are our supplier. They can’t just say it’s not our fault!!!!

If you ordered a new car. 3 month delivery. It is not delivered. They say. Sorry. Our supplier in turkey has let us down. Your car will be ready in9 months perhaps a year.

Who do you blame ? Stop deflecting the blame from Scotrail. They are our supplier. They store to blame. They will claim the applause if it went right !
 

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Much of the comment on this thread implies that Scotrail management had a host of outstanding options available to them and, through incompetence selected the wrong ones and that an armchair expert could have done a better job. It strikes me that their choices were very limited and sensible at the time they were made. Very little they could do about late infrastructure but diesel stock was retained longer than intended to alleviate the situation. 365s deployed when the 385s failed to arrive. Unrefurbished HSTs called in when they became available to cover. All this has compressed the time available for training but their was no stock to train on earlier. As for plans B and C, there isn’t the breadth of choice in the UK rail supply chain to provide those options so the motor car analogy doesn’t apply. I don’t have detailed knowledge of the goings on, just what I’ve read on here and in the press but, at risk of labelling myself incompetent, I’d probably have made the same decisions. This has always been the situation with rail, perhaps those who sought to close the network and invest in roads were right?
 

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Perhaps if Alex Hynes stopped using pre-rehersed corporate nonsense about his "people" and "customers" , perhaps attempting to sound sincere, then he might be taken seriously. His answers sound ridiculous and nobody is fooled by calling passengers customers, or indeed calling staff "our people".
 

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People like Alex don't care. they are there to increase profit for the shareholders, say the right things and appease everybody. Typical corporate drone. There are many of them in the UK running similar businesses and as long as they collect their salary and bonus it doesn't really matter about the staff or customers.

He doesn't reply to tweets at all and when my MSP contacted his office it was exactly the same pre-prepared reply given to another similar complaint a couple of months before.
 

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At the risk of being labelled a “Scotrail Apologist”, as a commuter I am anything but, I think there needs to be some reflection on how we got to where we are.
Scotrail have been let down by 3 key suppliers, Wabtec, Hitachi and Network Rail, who in turn have been let down by their suppliers with the late delivery of the SDA electrification. The lack of training is down to the above plus the industrial issues that have been reported as being resolved.
Some may say that Scotrail should have had better contingency planning, but that’s just planning to fail.
With regards to the late delivery of SDA, it was noted on the forum that the Sunday closures of the railway, and the week long closure in October were announced quite close to the closures. It seems to me that Scotrail knew at least that that project was doomed to fail spectacularly if they didn’t allow the closures.
So they’re playing catch up. It’s affecting me, but then I was commuting regularly through the Raith Interchange whilst that was upgraded, as well as during other rail & road upgrades in other parts of the world. And the thing that all my experiences has led me to understand is that whilst the upgrades are ongoing, they are a pain in the rear end, but once complete, most people look back and think it was worth it as it’s so much better now.
Or maybe I’m just a bit more patient than the average Joe or Josephine.

I am with you on this. There are a variety of factors contributing to the current mess *in some areas but not all*. In no order...

  • Wabtec's failure to deliver the HSTs in quantity and on time
  • Hitachi's slower than expected delivery of the 385s.
  • A surprising level of cluelessness on how to manage communications with the public and and a culture of trying to deflect blame
  • A lot of upgrade work taking place
  • Abysmal planning with regards to training
  • Not enough staff to deal with issues
  • A very unsympathetic and conservative culture in Scotland and the UK with regards to things not going according to plan
  • A situation where any changes have to be overlayed onto an already outdated and under invested in network
  • A general lack of interest and respect by many on the inside and outside of the railway which is mirrored in other areas of life.
  • Etc
 

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I think to the average person on the street a train is a train. So they feel if there’s a faulty one surely there’s a spare lying around? I’m not sure there’s much consideration of route clearance/training required to operate a certain type of unit on a cerain line.

Similarly a lack of train crew the conclusion is that “someone phoned in sick”, or that a guard is just a ticket examiner who opens doors.
 

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Much of the comment on this thread implies that Scotrail management had a host of outstanding options available to them and, through incompetence selected the wrong ones and that an armchair expert could have done a better job. It strikes me that their choices were very limited and sensible at the time they were made. Very little they could do about late infrastructure but diesel stock was retained longer than intended to alleviate the situation. 365s deployed when the 385s failed to arrive. Unrefurbished HSTs called in when they became available to cover. All this has compressed the time available for training but their was no stock to train on earlier. As for plans B and C, there isn’t the breadth of choice in the UK rail supply chain to provide those options so the motor car analogy doesn’t apply. I don’t have detailed knowledge of the goings on, just what I’ve read on here and in the press but, at risk of labelling myself incompetent, I’d probably have made the same decisions. This has always been the situation with rail, perhaps those who sought to close the network and invest in roads were right?

I understand your point. Armchair expert is a good expression. I joined the forum as no expert on rail. But to better understand why it's not better. So I am no armchair expert on rail. But I am an expert passenger as many passengers in the U.K. are. We are therefore very well qualified to pass judgement as passengers as customers. Fare paying passengers. So our credentials to pass comment and complain are without need of further justification.

I accept there has been long standing issues on rail over decades. But it seems the rail industry thinks it deserves an endless period of time to deliver. It implies it has unique problems no other industry has to cope with. Why is rail different from other service providers? We have an NHS with a far higher level of challenges. Should we all just say nothing and accept what we get without passing any comment. Education ditto. We all have views on all these as customers on services we pay for. So no , we passengers are not experts. We have relied on the so called rail experts for decade after decade franchise after franchise to deliver a better railway. And our voices need to be heard. It is an industry which is held in low esteem by many of its customers in the U.K. It's a national problem. Scotrail perhaps better than some. But your juggling the same players from one region to another. Same characters making a living out of being rail experts. Alex H from Northern? It seems not a great ship that! Abellio not a great record elsewhere

So how long do you rail experts want.? Another 20 years.? Another 20 years of franchise swapping on the only train that seems never to be cancelled The gravy train!
 

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I am with you on this. There are a variety of factors contributing to the current mess *in some areas but not all*. In no order...

  • Wabtec's failure to deliver the HSTs in quantity and on time
  • Hitachi's slower than expected delivery of the 385s.
  • A surprising level of cluelessness on how to manage communications with the public and and a culture of trying to deflect blame
  • A lot of upgrade work taking place
  • Abysmal planning with regards to training
  • Not enough staff to deal with issues
  • A very unsympathetic and conservative culture in Scotland and the UK with regards to things not going according to plan
  • A situation where any changes have to be overlayed onto an already outdated and under invested in network
  • A general lack of interest and respect by many on the inside and outside of the railway which is mirrored in other areas of life.
  • Etc
All fair points you make. But to just focus on the thread theme. It's just not the time to be billing the Scotland's best ever railway when it's not what passengers feel . On the contrary it draws fiercer passenger anger when things go wrong , most of which you highlight and fairly summarised above. I think we are on the same page. But here in Scotland as elsewhere patience has now largely gone and rail industry telling us all to settle down and not complain because it's all very complicated and we don't understand and they are doing just fine and keep saying sorry all the time , has a limited shelf life

But as we go into another year we can only hope again for better as we seem to have no choice but to pay more to the same and only supplier who should suspend the price rise till the timetable is delivered with consistent reliability .
 

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All fair points you make. But to just focus on the thread theme. It's just not the time to be billing the Scotland's best ever railway when it's not what passengers feel . On the contrary it draws fiercer passenger anger when things go wrong , most of which you highlight and fairly summarised above. I think we are on the same page. But here in Scotland as elsewhere patience has now largely gone and rail industry telling us all to settle down and not complain because it's all very complicated and we don't understand and they are doing just fine and keep saying sorry all the time , has a limited shelf life

But as we go into another year we can only hope again for better as we seem to have no choice but to pay more to the same and only supplier who should suspend the price rise till the timetable is delivered with consistent reliability .
I reiterate what I posted earlier in the thread, they’ve always billed it as “Building” (or some such qualifier) Scotland’s best ever railway. It is, obviously, still a work in progress.
As to your last point, we agree that the price rise is poorly timed and I for one would like to see it suspended. But that would require Alex Hynes and everyone else working for the Alliance to suspend their pay rises.
 

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I understand your point. Armchair expert is a good expression. I joined the forum as no expert on rail. But to better understand why it's not better. So I am no armchair expert on rail. But I am an expert passenger as many passengers in the U.K. are. We are therefore very well qualified to pass judgement as passengers as customers. Fare paying passengers. So our credentials to pass comment and complain are without need of further justification.

I accept there has been long standing issues on rail over decades. But it seems the rail industry thinks it deserves an endless period of time to deliver. It implies it has unique problems no other industry has to cope with. Why is rail different from other service providers? We have an NHS with a far higher level of challenges. Should we all just say nothing and accept what we get without passing any comment. Education ditto. We all have views on all these as customers on services we pay for. So no , we passengers are not experts. We have relied on the so called rail experts for decade after decade franchise after franchise to deliver a better railway. And our voices need to be heard. It is an industry which is held in low esteem by many of its customers in the U.K. It's a national problem. Scotrail perhaps better than some. But your juggling the same players from one region to another. Same characters making a living out of being rail experts. Alex H from Northern? It seems not a great ship that! Abellio not a great record elsewhere

So how long do you rail experts want.? Another 20 years.? Another 20 years of franchise swapping on the only train that seems never to be cancelled The gravy train!
What if this is the best it gets? If it’s not good enough for our individual needs then we are free to take our custom elsewhere and if sufficient numbers do this the powers that be will have to consider closures. Personally I find the services I use more than adequate (as clearly many do) and can see the roadmap Scotrail are following with electrification, new signaling, improved stations, standardised rolling stock which will lead to Scotland’s best railway. They’re getting close and having to deal with a number of impediments along the way. Right now, Alex Hynes’ job is to keep focussed on the end goal. And I do believe he is sincere and cares.
 

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You are patient. Well are all!

But you are wrong to absolve Abellio Scotrail from blame. They placed the contracts they did not do due diligence. They are our supplier. They can’t just say it’s not our fault!!!!

If you ordered a new car. 3 month delivery. It is not delivered. They say. Sorry. Our supplier in turkey has let us down. Your car will be ready in9 months perhaps a year.

Who do you blame ? Stop deflecting the blame from Scotrail. They are our supplier. They store to blame. They will claim the applause if it went right !

Any contract is an agreement between at least two parties. The procuring organisation has to make sure the delivery company can actually do the work.

It has been obvious since the spring that the programme for delivery from Wabtec was not going to be met.

ScotRail also knew at that time the dates when leases expired on the existing fleet.

So fir me they have little excuse for the current problems
 

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There was quite a PR fanfare from Scotrail when the first complete set got put in to service in October. I like many thought it was a whole fleet of upgraded HSTs and not just one unit.

How many complete refurbished sets are in service now?
 

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Meanwhile in China between the 25th and today, over the course of six days, (SIX DAYS!), they have opened 9 new lines totalling 2500 route km, probably working like clockwork from the start.

Even if the Scotrail upgrades had gone to plan and we had what the flannel merchants call "Scotland's best ever railway" it would still be fairly pedestrian by developed world standards.

Cue the usual cliches about slave labour and authoritarian planning:)
 

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Aaaaaand the year ends with the last Aberdeen to Edinburgh bustituted and wires down at Partick apparently with a unit being evacuated and the entire North Clyde on its backside for the foreseeable. Happy New Year!
 

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I currently pay £64 for an open return from Inverness to Edinburgh or Glasgow. For that price regularly have to stand from Perth to Glasgow when changing trains, almost always have to stand leaving Edinburgh or Glasgow.

To ask for more money and still no seat is frankly unacceptable. This I feel is not a lot to ask. Scotrail have known this date was coming to still be training staff at this point in time is nothing short of incompetence.
What train are you usually catching from Perth to Glasgow?

I commute into Glasgow on that line and due to a variety of reasons I travel on a fair range of trains from very early in the morning to late at night and would like to do my best to avoid whatever train it is you regularly have to stand on.
 

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What train are you usually catching from Perth to Glasgow?

I commute into Glasgow on that line and due to a variety of reasons I travel on a fair range of trains from very early in the morning to late at night and would like to do my best to avoid whatever train it is you regularly have to stand on.

There are only 3 services after 17:00 that will get you to Inverness that day. The 17:41 & 18:09 are rammed to Stirling and often standing only to Perth.

That leaves the 19:39 departure, arriving into Inverness at 23:17 - the problem with that is some people love their families and would rather spend time with them rather than spend an extra 2 hours in the office or pub.

The sad fact is, depending on where you are working in Glasgow and living in Inverness, it can be quicker grabbing Loganair service and changing at Stornoway. You're also guaranteed a seat.
 
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